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Old 05-03-2010, 10:49 AM
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Engine Swap Thread 1962 Fintail 220Sb gets a motor swap!

Hello Peaches,

You read my cautionary tale that described the death of the Emerald Bullet's old engine. That motor was an M180.941 straight six cylinder with dual Solex carburetors. Yesterday, I drove to TwinOckChef's garage and we removed the engine from his parts car. Britton donated the engine to save the Emerald Bullet.

Thank you VERY much!!



The parts car is a 1971 280S that had a dual Zenith carburetor M130 Engine which is built on the same block which evolved from 2195cc / 2.2 liter to 2778cc / 2.8 liter. It is nearly the same engine visually and physically. It is just bored out to maximum capacity. After the engine swap, it should still look original. But the horse power will increase from 105 to 160.



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Old 05-03-2010, 11:13 AM
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Is that guy gave you the engine? The engine looks clean, and has engine oil cooler lines (I suggest to beg him the oil cooler too), check and compare the water pump with your M180s, and and even more lucky, it's manual engine, I think that M130 is euro but, jot down the engine number (just first 8 digits only) and compare it with US W108 280S.

M180's manual tranny into M130 engine could be possible but best thing to do is to check if something goes in it's way. I have done that in my '66 200 with '74 M115(200) engine and original M121 tranny retrofitted.

You have no problem fitting a M130 into your precious Emerald Bullet's engine bay since W108 and W111 had almost the same engine bay in terms of space.

M115 200 is common engine of choice in the Philippines mainly on W123's and W115's.

P.S. Did you treat him a six-pack of Budweiser beer? In a way to say thank you to the British guy who gave you the engine
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:48 AM
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It only took us about three hours which was the first time for the both of us to remove an engine. The only thing which slowed us down was the exhaust bolts and the flex disk bolts. As we tried to pull the engine we kept lifting the whole chassis. At first we could not figure out why. The engine was not hung up on something. Then I saw the problem. It was the front engine shock. After that she came out quickly.
Overall I think the engine looks good. It has always been sealed up. She's dirty but nothing that a little elbow grease will rectify.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:55 AM
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Fantastic!! It's amazing how fast work can be achieved when not working alone.
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Deffinetly have to fit your solex's up to that engine...i can not stand the zeniths
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I just rebuilt my Solex carburetors and they were tuned and synchronised perfectly. Will they work going from a 2.2 liter to an 2.8 liter? They look like they would bolt on in the same spot.
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I just rebuilt my Solex carburetors and they were tuned and synchronised perfectly. Will they work going from a 2.2 liter to an 2.8 liter? They look like they would bolt on in the same spot.

im not sure myself but on my 230 s with the zeniths the intake is the exact same as my 220s with the solex..so i imagine it would work just throw them on and sync and you should be good to go
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The old carbs will have to be rejetted for the larger engine, or just swap them.
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The old carbs will have to be rejetted for the larger engine, or just swap them.
Please tell me more!
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Here is a method on how to pull an engine quicker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCsSVLZ6wCI&NR=1
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Here is a method on how to pull an engine quicker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCsSVLZ6wCI&NR=1

That was hilarious
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zenith's and solex

with the same jets due to a lean condition you will get a start-off backfire and hot running,i suggest leave the zeniths in currently.
The jet changes are available for the zeniths.
The 130 is a very fine engine.

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Don't change the Solex fuel jets!

I have done this same conversion and the Solex PAITA carbs don't need any modification whatsoever. The diaphragm accelerator pump design on the Solex carbs is so FAR superior to the Zenith piston design that there isn't even any comparison.

The M130.923 motor will run like a monster with those carbs. I think you will pleased. Compression ratio is a bit high, I think it is 9.5:1 stock, bit the Solex carbs will perform better than any other because the accelerator pump has the sutained enrichment that a good accelerator pump should (unlike the Zeniths). This greatly mitigates the tendency toward preignition.

The only problem with the motor is the "siamese cylinder" design with the little water slit cut in the web between cylinders at the top of the block. It doesn't leave much land to seal on. Head gasket seepage problems around cyl #5 will likely occur over time. About 80k miles between head jobs is what I observed.
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If you are using the W108 trans on the back of your new engine,you need to alter the rear of the trans tunnel to clear the flex disc and the speedo drive will need to be adapted to fit the W111 cable (which may be too short.)

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