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Medmech · #61 04-20-2008, 10:02 PM

He can say whatever he wants but as the President of the country he has an obligation to abide by its codes of conduct.

It may be an "old" law but its still what almost everyone does when the anthem plays, I guess those who don't are young kids that don't know any better, ignorant people and Obama.

MS Fowler · #62 04-20-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

That is a facile analysis even if it is true.

What about the 30,000,000 illegals living here already? That's right, I said 30 MILLION of them.

Many don't, can't or refuse to speak English.

Total amnesty was given to them in 1986, but guess what? Millions of them kept coming. And these are mostly the bottom of the barrel intheir countries, people barely literate, or uneducated, and utterly without skills. Many are or become criminals, never even mind thaqt border jumping itself is a criminal act.

What is being done to their countries to stop it? They could care less, because they are rid of those people, and they benefit from the millions of dollars they receive from the illegals that is remitted home and gets spent in their economies and not in the USA.

What is being done to people who hire them in the USA?

And, their babies are ALL automatically US citizens. What about that?

I do not dispute your points, but until the borders are secure, there is no way to even contemplate any solutions to the issues you raise.

MS Fowler · #63 04-20-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

It's deplorable. I do feel some sense of shame that my grandparents came over from Europe to the U.S. 100 years ago and, but for their naive method of entry into the U.S. through Ellis island and failure to become anything but law-abiding U.S. resdients, pretty much fit the above description.

I guess you won't be seeing me sitting next to you at the next John Birch Society soiree.

Paul,
I am confused.
What your grand parents did was legal immigration; vastly different from this illegal invasion across our southern border.
I have only respect for anyone who comes to this country, follows our laws, works legally and pays their taxes. That is how the country was built; its called assimilation-- melting pot, etc.
But illegals staying in non-English speaking enclaves operating outside of the legal system is not assimilation; it is invasion.

Honus · #64 04-20-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

...It may be an "old" law but its still what almost everyone does when the anthem plays...

Nobody ever taught me that one is supposed to put his hand over his heart when the Anthem plays. At my schools (Fairfax County, Virginia, public schools) kids put their hands over their hearts during the Pledge of Allegiance, but I don't remember any of us doing that during the Anthem. It wasn't until this Obama thing came up that I learned that the U.S. Code says this:

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...During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart...

Shame on me, I suppose, but I don't think that "almost everyone" puts their hands over their hearts during the Anthem, which does not excuse Obama's failure to comply. He probably should.

Honus · #65 04-20-2008, 11:02 PM

Not really on point, but close enough: http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/04/21/tomo/

Botnst · #66 04-20-2008, 11:11 PM

This is a country that takes pride in individual liberty. I appreciate that Obama doesn't recognize these standard courtesies. It tells me about him, and that's a good thing when considering a candidate for high office.

It's no big deal not to. In fact, I believe that those proposed laws and amendments that seek to force people to essentially worship the flag are exactly the opposite of why I make an effort to extend the courtesy. If it were mad against the law to mistreat the flag then I think I'd probably lose any interest in respecting it.

Concerning Obama, thats just another bit of information that puts a thread into the tapestry.

B

Honus · #67 04-20-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

...What your grand parents did was legal immigration; vastly different from this illegal invasion across our southern border...

What about those illegal immigrants sending money back home to help lift their families out of poverty? Do you really think that they should allow their families to go without just so they can comply with the United States Code? I would hope that if I was faced with that choice, I would break the law and do what's right for my family. I have nothing but admiration for many of these illegal immigrants.

Hatterasguy · #68 04-20-2008, 11:19 PM

The fact that this is an issue is disturbing. More important issues need to be taken care of but we are arguing about this BS.

Put on the damn pin, its the job you are running for, and lets talk about some real problems.

Hatterasguy · #69 04-20-2008, 11:25 PM

Flag etiquette OTH is an important issue, because you look bad when you screw up. More so on a boat, you better have a damn good idea what goes where and when.

A local store used to fly a large American flag but the owner neglected it and left it up at night, and in the rain. Than it became torn and he still had it up. Me along and apperintly many other people conplained very loudly to the owner that he better fix it. So he took it down, which was a good decision because he wasn't going to devote the effort to it.

Honus · #70 04-20-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

The fact that this is an issue is disturbing...

That's for sure. I guess the silver lining is that they must not have anything really damaging on Obama. If they did, it seems as if Hillary would have used it by now. Instead they keep coming up with these side shows.

Medmech · #71 04-20-2008, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

That's for sure. I guess the silver lining is that they must not have anything really damaging on Obama. If they did, it seems as if Hillary would have used it by now. Instead they keep coming up with these side shows.

I think Obama is doing these things intentionally to create a side show.

Botnst · #72 04-20-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

What about those illegal immigrants sending money back home to help lift their families out of poverty? Do you really think that they should allow their families to go without just so they can comply with the United States Code? I would hope that if I was faced with that choice, I would break the law and do what's right for my family. I have nothing but admiration for many of these illegal immigrants.

It was their choice to come to this country illegally. It is their choice to send money home. The burden of feeding families alien to this country falls on their country of origin, not on citizens of the USA.

Everybody who wants to support an illegal alien's family should voluntarily send them money. Please don't send them MY money.

I have little doubt that if I grew-up in the conditions those folks face I would do the same as they do -- come to the USA for a job. Acknowledging their circumstances doesn't require that I embrace their solution. Nor does deporting them mean I am contemptuous of them.

There are hard choices in life. Few Americans are aware of them.

B

Hatterasguy · #73 04-20-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

I think Obama is doing these things intentionally to create a side show.

Well considering how handled those guys are...not wearing a pin must have been his decision. I'm sure one of his handlers would have said something one way or the other.

It wasn't an accident.

Honus · #74 04-20-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

I think Obama is doing these things intentionally to create a side show.

I hadn't thought of that. Seems risky to base a political strategy on the idiocy of Tim Russert.

Billybob · #75 04-20-2008, 11:52 PM

It is not a question about the flag pin it’s about the lies a man will tell about it!

April 16 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16text-debate.html?pagewanted=11&_r=1

“I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins.”

October 4 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3690000

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

Another Harvard educated lying scumbag, and you would of thought the “first black editor of the Harvard Law Review” would be a more capable liar? Was he lying then or lying now? Maybe the “Great Orator” just couldn’t figure out how to simply say what he meant?