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Palangi · #31 05-03-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Have it your way. I see it as positing a part of your position that does not stand up. The example you give has less relevance than what I said.

But perhaps you have a point. Slightly. Maybe.

My point was that you assert that the dimwad wannabe communist revolutionaries are guilty as sin from now on but I don't gather that you'll ever concede that the crowd in power that drove them nuts is in any way culpable for error, crimes, etc.

I maintain they were. Nixon and Henry the K were/are war criminals. Ditto for 20 watt bulb Westmoreland. The flag waving does not erase any and all sin, irregardless.

Reminds me of the dimwits on the crusades who raped, robbed, and pillaged on the way down cause they had been assured that all their sins would be forgiven them once they did the glorious, God ordained, work of "freeing" the holy lands from the Saracen dogs.

Ummm, you do remember that I opposed the Vietnam war, right?? Thimk back, we have discussed this before. Point is, I opposed the war within the law, not by trying to overthrow the government by violent revolution, like O Bomma's buddies tried to do. Successfully too, I might add. Nixxon was tarred and feathered and run out of town, and the war ended soon thereafter.

Ayers and company were ideological commies from the git-go. Vietnam was just a convenient excuse for them at the time. If you really want to know what was in their heads, I recommend you go to www.fbi.gov and download the pdf files on the weather underground. Difficult reading because it is scanned using 70's reprographic technology, very poor quality, but very enlightening. You will see some names you will recognize from modern day Berkeley, among other things.

cmac2012 · #32 05-03-2008, 07:31 PM

Umm, no I don't recall you being against the war. Good show mate.

I in no way want anything to do with the weather crowd lessen they've repented their ways, worn sack cloth, and sat in ash. Way too filled with their self-importance.

I have yet to see any mention, let alone proof, of when Obama knew of Ayers' past.

And lessee, if you had some embarrassment in your past, something you'd done that was really stupid, I suppose you'd go around introducing yourself by saying, "Hi, I'm Palangi and when I was in my mid 20s, I blew up some buildings in the US and tried to foment a communist revolution. Whoo-ee, those were the days. Now about this project we have going here . . . "

Botnst · #33 05-04-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Oh naughty me. Like I expected it would be anything other than water off your well oiled back.

You're going with pride over scholarship. Not supportable.

For example, the constant refrain about how we abandoned the people of Cambodia to the horrors of the killing fields is utter nonsense.

We couldn't subdue Vietnam with troop levels of between 3 and 5 hundred thousand for YEARS, how were we going to continue, with the success that was just around the corner

, that failed enterprise while also invading Cambodia and doing the same there?

And besides, as it is utterly clear to anyone with out chestfuls of lettuce clouding their vision, we paved the way for Pol Pot and crew, more bombs than on Germany in WW2, and this in a country that had very few industrial targets. Exactly what targets were we bombing with those "dumb" bombs?

It destabilized the hell out of the existing power structure and handed the propaganda victory of a lifetime to the Kmer Rouge. And then we were going to waltz in and expect the people to run to the shelter of our benevolence??! We'd have had rougher sledding there than in Vietnam.

But who am I kidding? You have no objectivity on this issue. It's SIR! YES SIR! until the day you die.

Oh boy. . . . .

ZZZZZaaaaap!

mgburg · #34 05-04-2008, 02:02 PM

The problem on this post is this:

CMAC wants to show us that "iffy people" can change...
Politicians that put a hand on shoulders of the "iffies" can be stained by association...

"Iffies" can rise above the "physicalities" (word? sp?) of what they once were, and still preach "the good fight" - even if their ideas still ring "wrong" in the ears of the silent majority. After all, we're still a free country to able to speak our minds, eh?

"Iffies" can be put on PC-Produced (taxpayer-funded) pedestals of "higher Learning" (emphasis on the small "h") and be shown off to the lesser-educated, pablum-enriched, blame-meisters of the Left-side of reasoning, that the white-haired older gentleman is no more harmful than the politicians he's berating and tearing down on his taxpayer-supported lecture circuit tours.

Even if he only lit a few fuses, or helped tighten the cap on a pipe-bomb, he should still be forgiven because of time. Afterall, his acts can reasonably be assumed to be "patriotic" in the sense that they helped keep more Americans from going off to war. Whereas, a politian giving the order to "...carpet-bomb..." or those piloting the Enola Gay are to be held accountable for bringing humanity to the brink of complete destruction, even though those same politicians managed to ACTUALLY keep more Americans from dying in those wars.

That's the problem here...two sides are arguing the same thing...we'd like the war to end...but the end result would be we have two diametrically opposed forces left to rule...communism or capitalism...one wants to wipe the other out, the other wants to buy the other out...

I opt for the one that doesn't PHYSICALLY KILL me...

Commies kill Capitalists with bombs and poison and gulaugs...

Capitalists kill Commies from the inside out - commies can't handle anyone enjoying money and filling out tax returns...

When the Capitalists use the bigger stick than the Commies have (Bombs-vs.-sticks), the commies use the "...look at how the big, bad capitalists treat us..." schtick... However...

Turn your back on the Commie...they'll stab you just as dead as you'd have them...

Why do MANY MORE PEOPLE flee communism than the other way around?

And, don't show me how nicey-nicey communism really is...if it were the "utopia" that the lefties THINK it is, why would so many commies "jump ship" when they are "allowed" to come out of their countries and participate in sporting events and the like? Why were there so many regular, everyday, commies willing to DIE to get out of East Germany? Poland? Cause Marx, Lenin and Mao (sp?) were such great thinkers/enablers?

And we, the true free-thinkers, still have a hand-full of nutcakes that think that somehow, Communism (and the freaks that still espouse its "religion") is, maybe, a viable alternative to reality?

If you think that corn/soybean production for Ethenol is a wack-program that didn't involve a whole lot of brain-power in the consideration of the downside of such a program...let's just throw a bomb (Pun REALLY intended here!) into having a "Politi-Commie" start scrambling any reasonable thought process left in Washington DC and we'll see the end of the US in less time than it takes a politibureau to decide how to screw in an incadescent light bulb...and that's assuming the "greenies" haven't already managed to get them all banned, to be replaced by Mercury-tainted CFLs. How's that for a short-term solution, long-term ecological-disaster, government-mandated decision?

Back on topic...

Ayers shouldn't have a platform/pedestal/microphone within a mile of his sorry ass and mouth.

Should BO fire his handlers for not "shielding" him from Ayers?

Who knows? Maybe they TRIED to shield BO.

Maybe BO told them, "Back off, I want to see this guy..."

Maybe BO is that stupid and has morons around him that didn't do their homework and protect BO from himself...

Then again, maybe this might be a small peak behind the curtain of the way BO would be running his administration if he gets elected president...

If it is the latter...I now know, for sure, that the Democrats have their heads so far up their @55es with this guy, they might as well be ordering breakfast for tomorrow 'cause they can see the future right now...

And they're still ignoring the warning signs...

Life as a mushroom must be so calm....om-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m...

cmac2012 · #35 05-04-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

ZZZZZaaaaap!

The man of the world peers down on the rabble beneath him. "Tiny fools . . ."

cmac2012 · #36 05-04-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

The problem on this post is this:

CMAC wants to show us that "iffy people" can change...
Politicians that put a hand on shoulders of the "iffies" can be stained by association...

Your problem is that you seem to think the FLAG absolves any and all who operate under it of any culpability in mass murder, mass land poisoning etc.

Nowhere in my study of religion or philosophy do I get this impression.

I am willing to forgive the fellows who bombed hell out of a bunch of peasants owing to their fear that some lame economic system was so powerful, so virulent that it would infect and ruin our great nation with the help of a backward country with no navy and air force of consequence.

Ayers and co. were morons, fools, etc. However, Westmoreland's death count, in the eyes of God, I'll wager, was much, much higher. And Lt. Calley is selling used cars somewhere, likely as not.

You are STUCK sir, the word is STUCK.

Botnst · #37 05-04-2008, 08:57 PM

Everything is always everybody else's problems.

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cmac2012 · #38 05-04-2008, 09:51 PM

Come again?

My country bade me to slaugther a bunch of peasants. I demurred. What is who's problem? That we blew $1 trillion and 55K lives in that mess is our problem.

Palangi · #39 05-04-2008, 09:57 PM

Well, not exactly........

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/why-is-obama-hiding-the-truth-about-william-ayers-follow-the-money/

cmac2012 · #40 05-05-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Everything is always everybody else's problems.

I got to thinking, do you mean SOMEBODY has to have the balls to deal with things like communist expansion n' stuff?

It is deep irony to me that so many people who are of the political persuasion that detests 'nanny state' type condescension and interference appropriate to themselves or our nation anyway, the wisdom and responsibility to save poor suffering primitives overseas from themselves.

Like an overbearing bro. in law who just knows he knows what you really need to do to fix that widget and steps in, takes it from your hands, and proceeds to really screws things up.

Communism has serious flaws, to be sure, but we completely misread what communism meant in Vietnam and why they were going that route. The people of Vietnam knew very well, for the most part, why they detested Diem and Thieu, even if we didn't, and our attempts to get them to go against their instincts and wishes was seriously fraught with inefficiency.

mgburg · #41 05-05-2008, 03:52 AM

Let's get off the VC things and get to the substance here...

Obama is getting "shafted" 'cause he had a photo-op with Billy "Screw The Man" Ayers?

Why would O's staff allow this? No one answered that one yet...-

Why would O seek this character out? No one answered that yet...-

And, let's ask another question about O that probably won't get answered...but I'll be willing to offer my idea as to why it is as it is...

Why has O consistently voted "present" (with few, if any) exceptions during his tenure in Congress?

My oppinion is this - He doesn't want to be associated with any flawed plans that could come back and haunt him...a kind of "I didn't do it!" mentality to inaction...like finding a victim of a mugging in the gutter, but offering no assistance or help...

And this is what the American (at least, on half of the Democratic side) people are trying to crown as the "new messiah" for change?

Someone that doesn't have the guts or gumption to make a stand on ANYTHING?

At least Ayers had the fuzz on his 'nads to take a stand during 'Nam...O doesn't stand for anything except himself...

Maybe that picture of O laying a hand on Ayers shoulder was O's attempt to draw power and inspiration from Bill...'cause I don't see any of it going the other way to anyone else...

Except the sheep that think...er...oh, wait...they're sheep....they can't think...they just follow....

The real question is: Who really is leading? I highly suspect even O doesn't know, or will ever find out...

Sad...

Botnst · #42 05-05-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I got to thinking, do you mean SOMEBODY has to have the balls to deal with things like communist expansion n' stuff?

It is deep irony to me that so many people who are of the political persuasion that detests 'nanny state' type condescension and interference appropriate to themselves or our nation anyway, the wisdom and responsibility to save poor suffering primitives overseas from themselves.

Like an overbearing bro. in law who just knows he knows what you really need to do to fix that widget and steps in, takes it from your hands, and proceeds to really screws things up.

Communism has serious flaws, to be sure, but we completely misread what communism meant in Vietnam and why they were going that route. The people of Vietnam knew very well, for the most part, why they detested Diem and Thieu, even if we didn't, and our attempts to get them to go against their instincts and wishes was seriously fraught with inefficiency.

Everything is somebody else's problem when we fail to see that some proportion comes from ourselves.

cmac2012 · #43 05-05-2008, 04:37 PM

Couldn't have said THAT part better myself. Our fear and ambition in Vietnam was our problem way more than it was theirs. Wasn't theirs at all, in fact, lessen you count the problems they incurred from it.

However, my point about dueling opinions on 'nanny state-ism' is spot on, IMO.

Botnst · #44 05-05-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Couldn't have said THAT part better myself. Our fear and ambition in Vietnam was our problem way more than it was theirs. Wasn't theirs at all, in fact, lessen you count the problems they incurred from it.

However, my point about dueling opinions on 'nanny state-ism' is spot on, IMO.

Now look inward.

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cmac2012 · #45 05-06-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Now look inward,

. . . grasshopper.