I don't think we would have invaded in the first place if every able bodied individual in Iraq had at least one weapon as effective as our military men have.

We might have bombed and such, but to invade and hold there must be boots on the ground. Even during the firestorm bombing of WWII, there were enough surviving civilians that were they armed and motivated, they could have resisted long enough prevail.

I'm convinced that to lay down and surrender our rights and freedoms in the face of "overwhelming odds" is worse than death.

Do they sell dead horses at Wal Mart?

There's some truth to that, but again, today it's not as much boots on the ground as it is wheels/tracks on the ground. Guns won't do much in that situation.

As to your last point, I have a different view. You sound idealistic, but if push came to shove, would you really live up to the rhetoric? I don't believe in the afterlife, God or any such crap, so perhaps for me life is more valuable than it is for you. Also I come from a different background. You may recall how Nazis invaded Czechoslovakia, yet there was little resistance after the allies abandoned us. IMO it was a wise decision. The Nazi rule ended in the next decade and lives & historic buildings were spared. Well then there was the Soviet invasion, but again the odds were overwhelming and life wasn't really that bad. And that thing eventually ended too. To me personally life would have to be really bad for me to consider sacrificing myself for some cause. To me almost any life is better than death. Call me a wuss if you like to, but I consider myself a pragmatist.

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I wouldn't call you anything as long as you respect my freedom to choose to fight to the last breath for my freedom with the devices necessary to be effective. What I find distressing is that too many folks who share your understanding of life and the devices necessary to defend innocence is that not only do they not want guns, they don't want the rest of us to have them...and I'm not talking about hunting guns. You know what they say in Russia....Toughski.

Most effective you say? But you also say guns won't do squat? But infer that they do accomplish something. Only, for like the 30th time, you also say, the most effective means should be illegal. That's something like willful enslavement, and you even seem proud of it judging by other posts.
So... you confirmed what I was saying. You have no opinion, and aren't too partial to freedom.
Better to live on your knees, and die that way, too, I always say. See, there's this thing, kinda outlines the traditional US foundation called 'The Declaration of Independence'. What does it say about defense against tyrannical government? Not a right, but a duty.
You people are more dangerous than any military, foreign or domestic.

I'm done responding to you. All you do is spew drivel.

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I know, I just repeat what is already said.
Gonna have to start calling you Hillary anyway, get back to the global village, away from these extremist, outdated views.

But also note that this is a great tactic against the US. It might not be so with others. We tend to be more squeamish about these things. If invaded, I doubt there would be too many volunteers for suicide bombing missions.

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No, they shouldn't be legal, but they sure are more effective in "fighting back".

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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

I agree with the above. But that doesn't mean I want to be cannon fodder. I'm all for intelligent resistance.

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Freedom is not just guns. Our Government prohibits gambling,
certain drugs, some marriages..............

We have the worlds largest military, we will not be invaded and if our
military turns on us we will be out gunned.

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Yup, having lived in & visited other countries I can tell you that the US is a good place to live, but it's definitely not the country with the highest personal freedoms. Some things are actually pretty backward here.

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IMO, you win some you lose some. No place is perfect. Some places are better here and worse there and we might be better there and worse here. IOW, it is not perfect. IMO, it is the best place to be ON THE WHOLE. After all, if you disagree, you need to ask yourself why you are here and not somewhere else. I did that when I was young. I was never under the impression that this was the perfect place. I realized that every spot has it's good points and bad points. Add it all up and see where you stand.

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Never bet on that. It is not the guns you have that will win. Look at Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq. It is the will to win that is way more important that the whiz bang stuff that can hit a certain postage stamp on the wall.

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