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Botnst · #76 02-08-2009, 11:02 PM

I think it's because of Vietnam.

450slcguy · #77 02-08-2009, 11:03 PM

We're gonna get screwed no matter what happens concerning the stimulus package. Most of the money will be pilfered away by the dogs at the top, and whatever is left will trickle down to the masses. The money will be gone in 1 or 2 years and we'll be back to where we are now. The whole plan is a temporary patch that doesn't address the root causes of our problems.

Sooner than later, inflation is gonna wipe out whats left of the middle class and our "consumer and service economy" is gonna totally collapse. We're well on our way towards that scenario right now.

It's a grim and pessimistic outlook, but given the facts that's the reality, like it or not.

aklim · #78 02-08-2009, 11:11 PM

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Repos controlled congress during the worst of Dubbers' shenanigans. He and Cheney tried to run the table in the waning days of their admin, pushing through a rightie wish list for industry exploitation of nat. resources. They put various operatives into embedded govt. jobs that they will keep under Obama and not be easily removed.

Their influence is not gone, was quite recent in our past when in full power, and Cheney has shown that he has no intention to give up his lust for power.

You miss my point: if we cannot even burrow 20 miles downward, why do you expect that we'll be able to mine minerals on other planets or asteroids?

Oh yeah, with our current economy, let's redouble our space station on Mars project. Just what we need.

Important thinkers in our nation's history are of benefit to us, along with their utterances. But you don't get that.

If Obama cannot even do something simple like removing those people Bush and Cheney could put in, he can't be much of anything, can he?

How long do you intend to keep milking that? 50 years from now, will you still be claiming that?

I don't think it is so much that we cannot. I think we can but unless there is something that they think is going to be different or unique, I am not sure there is going to be the interest.

They don't cut off the social fluff because of the economy, do they?

Perhaps so but if there is a point, I could care less whether you said it, Joe said it or anyone said it. The point is still good. Just because someone famous said it doesn't mean all that much to me.

450slcguy · #79 02-08-2009, 11:11 PM

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Is what we are going thru a bump in the road?

No, it's just the beginning of whats coming.

cmac2012 · #80 02-08-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I think it's because of Vietnam.

Funny you should mention, you sorta hit the nail on the head. During Vietnam, we were in the midst of the most amazing economic boom in history, and we had way cheap oil, plentifully, from Iran for starters. That's why (IMHO) we weren't utterly ruined by throwing nearly $1 trillion, inflation adjusted, down a sinkhole.

But plenty on the military right have had a hard-on since Vietnam to prove that we win any and every war that we (some) see fit to launch. And a reluctance to change course in the midst of such a thing so as to not repeat the "horrible mistake" of abandoning Vietnam. From this, we have jumped into the historical tar baby/hornets nest combo (Afghanistan, where empires go to die) and Iraq which is about the same. OBL has to be grinning broadly, as we are fulfilling his grand strategy of seeing us bankrupt ourselves in ruinous war and occupation like the Russkies did.

You seem to think that error has no penalty. It does.

aklim · #81 02-08-2009, 11:13 PM

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No, it's just the beginning of whats coming.

But is that something that says the system is a failure or that the system will have bumps from time to time?

aklim · #82 02-08-2009, 11:16 PM

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And a reluctance to change course in the midst of such a thing so as to not repeat the "horrible mistake" of abandoning Vietnam.

So you can guarantee that there will be no fallout if we walk away from these graveyards or whatever you want to call it? How?

cmac2012 · #83 02-08-2009, 11:16 PM

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If Obama cannot even do something simple like removing those people Bush and Cheney could put in, he can't be much of anything, can he?

How long do you intend to keep milking that? 50 years from now, will you still be claiming that?

I don't think it is so much that we cannot. I think we can but unless there is something that they think is going to be different or unique, I am not sure there is going to be the interest.

They don't cut off the social fluff because of the economy, do they?

Perhaps so but if there is a point, I could care less whether you said it, Joe said it or anyone said it. The point is still good. Just because someone famous said it doesn't mean all that much to me.

That which doesn't happen between your ears is not of much interest to you best I can tell.

Get real. Obama has been in for two weeks and already he's an utter failure. Some of the Bush teams final moves have been reversed and the O admin. is young yet. People are even complaining that he hasn't gotten rid of partisanship in DC already.

Oh yeah.

Uhh..., it's not 50 years from now, it's now. And the country is in the toilet after 8 years of pseudo governance by a moron and a thug. But it's liberal's fault.

cmac2012 · #84 02-08-2009, 11:20 PM

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So you can guarantee that there will be no fallout if we walk away from these graveyards or whatever you want to call it? How?

The fallout from staying will be worse. Every time we missile strike some village on the off chance that we'll get some bad guy, we gain hundreds of new enemies for life.

The Hydra Headed Beast. It's not just a myth.

aklim · #85 02-08-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Obama has been in for two weeks and already he's an utter failure. Some of the Bush teams final moves have been reversed and the O admin. is young yet. People are even complaining that he hasn't gotten rid of partisanship in DC already.

Oh yeah.

Uhh..., it's not 50 years from now, it's now. And the country is in the toilet after 8 years of pseudo governance by a moron and a thug. But it's liberal's fault.

Your words, not mine. I haven't passed judgment on him either way yet. My point is very simple. IF you are trying to tell me that Bush and Cheney can do something that he cannot undo, what do you expect me to think of him?

Things were going downhill before Bush even ran for President. It just came to a head during his term. We had a national debt since when? Our industries were being run out of town only in the last 8 years? Really?

aklim · #86 02-08-2009, 11:23 PM

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The fallout from staying will be worse.

Every time we missile strike some village on the off chance that we'll get some bad guy, we gain hundreds of new enemies for life.

How do you know this?

Yes, I think I heard that one before. Maybe we should just all be nice to people and they will like us, etc, etc. They already don't like us. Lets not make them double hate us. BTW, how many men did it take to cause 911?

cmac2012 · #87 02-08-2009, 11:30 PM

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Your words, not mine. I haven't passed judgment on him either way yet. My point is very simple. IF you are trying to tell me that Bush and Cheney can do something that he cannot undo, what do you expect me to think of him?

Things were going downhill before Bush even ran for President. It just came to a head during his term. We had a national debt since when? Our industries were being run out of town only in the last 8 years? Really?

Govt. bureaucracy is huge. It's ridiculous to give Obama grief about that at this point. In a year or two, maybe.

It's true that much of our woes have been building for some time, but Bush, and more importantly, the vast army of people who promoted and apologized for his every move made matters worse.

aklim · #88 02-08-2009, 11:33 PM

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Govt. bureaucracy is huge. It's ridiculous to give Obama grief about that at this point. In a year or two, maybe.

It's true that much of our woes have been building for some time, but Bush, and more importantly, the vast army of people who promoted and apologized for his every move made matters worse.

Again, I'm not giving him grief. I'm just saying that if he cannot undo the appointments Bush and Cheney made he isn't much of a President. IOW, that is NOT an excuse to me.

Not everything was an executive order, was it? Congress is also somewhat involved, are they not? What part of that equation has radically changed?

cmac2012 · #89 02-08-2009, 11:37 PM

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Again, I'm not giving him grief. I'm just saying that if he cannot undo the appointments Bush and Cheney made he isn't much of a President. IOW, that is NOT an excuse to me.

Not everything was an executive order, was it? Congress is also somewhat involved, are they not? What part of that equation has radically changed?

Dude, it's been two weeks. If you want answers to your questions, try the World Wide Web.