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Jerry Cohen · #46 05-01-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Did I misread the sentiments of some of the gentlemen here, that the use of deadly force was justified in the defense of property? Or has this been some showing of male bravado, testosterone poisoning, cowboy code of the west . . . bull$hit?

If you believe that deadly force should be allowed, then isn't it a "justified kill" when you drop a kid for shoplifting . . . taking a low hanging apple off your tree . . .

You make too much sense, so your logic might not reach it's intended target. Pun intended.

aklim · #47 05-01-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

It is not legal to hunt with pistols in most places, but that is not the point. The point is, you are not allowed to put your hand on a holstered weapon, or unsling a weapon, or point a weapon at someone. At least not in CO. But, with a shotgun, you can effectively have someone in the target area without actually aiming it at them, and if it has no sling, it is already in your hands.

When I hunt, the pistol is always in hand.

cmbdiesel · #48 05-01-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

When I hunt, the pistol is always in hand.

Must not be a hunter.

But, there you are with your pistol in hand, and the people you confront are lost hikers. Surprisingly enough, they take offense at you brandishing a pistol. Next thing you know, you're wearing a pair of handcuffs and your pistol is now evidence. Not real smart. Confronting people armed is a dicey business, and a dangerous one as well. If you are put into that position, it is best to be as well protected, legally and physically, as possible.

aklim · #49 05-02-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Must not be a hunter.

But, there you are with your pistol in hand, and the people you confront are lost hikers. Surprisingly enough, they take offense at you brandishing a pistol. Next thing you know, you're wearing a pair of handcuffs and your pistol is now evidence. Not real smart. Confronting people armed is a dicey business, and a dangerous one as well. If you are put into that position, it is best to be as well protected, legally and physically, as possible.

Heard of our friend Vang? Even if you talk about the legal consequences, I think I would fare a lot better than the victims, don't you agree? Still I don't see how my holding a pistol is any more threatening than you holding a shotgun. Like you said, some places don't permit that for hunting so that might be a different story. I deer hunt with pistols when the choice is shotgun or pistol since I am not comfortable with a shotgun. Otherwise, I use a rifle. I've tried but after a couple of different shotguns, I concluded that I probably will never be as comfortable with a shotgun as a pistol or rifle.

And no, I don't confront someone when I am hunting unless I have to. When I hunt on private land and I see someone I don't think should be there, I ask them politely but firmly with my weapon in hand should they pull something. We were hunting on private land when I heard a shot. Story was that my friend found a bunch of mexicans trespassing and told them to leave. They gave him the "No habla English" thing so he told them that there were 5 of them and he had 5 rounds. One for each. When they didn't move fast enough, he discharged a round and that got them moving. Not much they could say since they were tresspassing.

cmbdiesel · #50 05-02-2009, 12:31 AM

If you are in the woods during hunting season with a current license and tags, having the gun in your hands is fine, in fact, pretty much anytime, anywhere on National Forest or BLM. Still doesn't enable you to point it at someone. However, I was referring to walking out of your house to confront people on your property.

aklim · #51 05-02-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Still doesn't enable you to point it at someone.

However, I was referring to walking out of your house to confront people on your property.

No, you never point a gun unless you plan to kill them.

Not sure. Can you get in trouble if you are holding a gun but not directly aiming it at the trespassers? I know I wouldn't go confront a trespasser without a gun in my hand.

MTI · #52 05-02-2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Cohen

What are you(figurative) going to do when the perp turns the tables on you and beats the ever loving crap out of you? Over a car radio or something like that?

Isn't your scenario outside of the discussion parameters . . . it's no longer the protection of property, but the immediate risk of serious bodily injury or death, for which the use of deadly force is universally recognized in our country.

What I understand from the words of some of our members is that the use of deadly force, merely for the defense of property, is not only a good idea, but one that should be widely utilized.

Skid Row Joe · #53 05-02-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

What I understand from the words of some of our members is that the use of deadly force, merely for the defense of property, is not only a good idea, but one that should be widely utilized.

State law in Texas, property is covered to use deadly force to protect.....on or off your property.

Move, you're dead. Tried and tested.

Skid Row Joe · #54 05-02-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No, you never point a gun unless you plan to kill them.

Not sure. Can you get in trouble if you are holding a gun but not directly aiming it at the trespassers? I know I wouldn't go confront a trespasser without a gun in my hand.

^^^^ See above post.

Skid Row Joe · #55 05-02-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

If I wake up in the middle of the night and see someone in my car I'm coming out locked and loaded. If they make a bad move they get shot.

That, is a good kill in Texas. Blow 'em away if they attempt to leave with goods of any kind. Tried, tested, NO BILLED by the Grand Jury. It's called Castle Doctrine here. Next!?

Medmech · #56 05-02-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

It is not legal to hunt with pistols in most places, but that is not the point. .

Where is "most places". Pistol hunting is allowed in 47 states.

OMEGAMAN · #57 05-02-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Not an acceptable answer for a rule of law.

You can't have it both ways.

It is most certainly acceptable in Colorado using your judgement. If someone enters your home and you fear for your life you can shoot them. I have had several discussions with cops and one lawyer and they all say the same thing. It's OK if your scared for your life. In some counties where they have elected some liberal district attorney (probably a carpet bagger from New York) They will give the shooter a hard time but ultimately no charges will be filed and life moves on for everyone but the ****bag!

cmbdiesel · #58 05-02-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Medmech

Where is "most places". Pistol hunting is allowed in 47 states.

I stand corrected. Depending on what season you're in, and what state, there is almost always a handgun that would be considered legal. I guess having enough variety of firearms, using a pistol would have always been a lesser choice for me.

Jerry Cohen · #59 05-02-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Isn't your scenario outside of the discussion parameters . . . it's no longer the protection of property, but the immediate risk of serious bodily injury or death, for which the use of deadly force is universally recognized in our country.

What I understand from the words of some of our members is that the use of deadly force, merely for the defense of property, is not only a good idea, but one that should be widely utilized.

Yes, you are right. I was just thinking out loud about the risk, not the right to defend oneself.