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Old 12-29-2009, 12:49 PM
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I think it's time for the full-body scan stuff, screw the "you saw me naked" school yard crap.
You're missing the point, it's not about air travel. Once they are done playing with airplanes, someone will blow up an american commuter train or a bridge someplace and this nonsense will start all over again.

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Old 12-29-2009, 12:51 PM
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So we should just let them blow us up?

Planes are the big target, these guys are foreigners who couldn't find Grand Central Station on a bet.
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Old 12-29-2009, 12:57 PM
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So we should just let them blow us up?

Planes are the big target, these guys are foreigners who couldn't find Grand Central Station on a bet.
Right, hope that works out for you.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:43 PM
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I used to fly about 1-200K miles per year and I've essentially stopped flying due to all the security BS, I maybe take 2 or 3 flights per year now and I still hate it. I probably account for $50K per year worth of lost business to the airlines. Try implementing something like the israeli system and see what happens to the airlines' revenue.

The nonsense you are suggesting is exactly the outcome that these guys are looking for; americans will always overreact when they are afraid, and they are very easy to scare. If this was a "war" (incorrect term), it would be an economic/psychological "war." They can mess with the wimpy americans indefinitely by coming up with new "threats" and watching them chase their tails, trying to reduce their risk to zero.
I've spoken with more than a few people who now REFUSE to board an aircraft for multiple reasons. the two main reasons? security and safety. they simply do not feel "secure" nor "safe" anymore. no matter how many dogs, multiple X-ray machines (check the carcinogen levels for X-ray dosages, YIKES!), body cavity searches, etc. there are many people who have been scared off from flying. multiple airline bankruptcies only tell part of the story.

time to bring in the German high speed mag lev trains. 300 MPH comfort, starbucks coffee served up along with your favorite reading materials. no idiot drivers on the road, no high priced gasoline, plus reduce the maintenance cost on your cars, simply leave the driving to the train operator. Europe, Japan and now China are doing it, the United States, of course, will be the last to get a descent high speed rail system.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:54 PM
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time to bring in the German high speed mag lev trains. 300 MPH comfort, starbucks coffee served up along with your favorite reading materials. no idiot drivers on the road, no high priced gasoline, plus reduce the maintenance cost on your cars, simply leave the driving to the train operator. Europe, Japan and now China are doing it, the United States, of course, will be the last to get a descent high speed rail system.
How will you go about guarding the thousands of miles of rail systems that such trains run on from the sabotage that could easily cause a catastrophic wreck at 300 MPH? What would stop an attacker from driving a cement mixer into the path of a train traveling 300MPH?

I’m a big fan of train travel but from a security point of view it’s a disaster waiting to happen.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:55 PM
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They can mess with the wimpy americans indefinitely by coming up with new "threats" and watching them chase their tails, trying to reduce their risk to zero.
They don't have to waste their time coming up with new "threats" as you so obtusely call it. Because we as a nation are too stupid to do anything meaningful about the existing one which has the best "cost bennefit ratio" for the whackjobs by far.

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Old 12-29-2009, 01:58 PM
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I'm not worried about some silly threats, I just don't want the hassle and crappy service associated with flying. Even with the occasional terrorist, flying is still safer than driving.

I'm all for high speed trains, as well as better freight train service (to get some trucks off the roads). However, trains are probably equally susceptible to these types of threats.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:00 PM
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How will you go about guarding the thousands of miles of rail systems that such trains run on from the sabotage that could easily cause a catastrophic wreck at 300 MPH? What would stop an attacker from driving a cement mixer into the path of a train traveling 300MPH?

I’m a big fan of train travel but from a security point of view it’s a disaster waiting to happen.
So what is the option then? Running scared, never go outside the house?
I say F..K them, terrorist or freedom fighters... whatever they call themselves they will not make me live my life in fear. Period!!!! I will travel, I will enjoy everyday of my life. If they want to die for a pot of honey and few virgins, well lets be it. I am not giving up on my freedom.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:02 PM
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I do not understand the people who say non-Arab looking folks should be ignored or we should focus on Arab looking people. The shoe bomber did not look Arab, more Latin to me. Give him a hair cut, shave and put him in a suit and he would pass for a business man. The X-mass bomber looks like an average black man from anywhere in the world. Not sure how realistic it is but how hard would it be to have someone dressed up like "Mrs. Doubtfire"?
I never said ignore non-Arab looking folks. I said ignore WHITES. For the very simple reason that the enemy is not "the terrorists". It's islamists. And up till now they have been exclusively non-white. Now one day maybe some honkey nutjob might decide to convert to islam and attack the infidel like that idiot Lindh did, and that may well happen one day, but until then you are dealing exclusively with the bacillus of islam confined largely to non white populaces and which typically comes with identifiable names. For people claiming to deal with airline security to pretend that this is not significant is imbecillic and a product of the swamp of PCBS that infests western civilization to it's severe detriment.

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They don't have to waste their time coming up with new "threats" as you so obtusely call it. Because we as a nation are too stupid to do anything meaningful about the existing one which has the best "cost bennefit ratio" for the whackjobs by far.

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As I said I rarely fly now, they can improve their security theater all they want without affecting me. If that makes joe six-pack feel better about flying, it might have some economic use.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:07 PM
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I say F..K them, terrorist or freedom fighters... whatever they call themselves they will not make me live my life in fear. Period!!!! I will travel, I will enjoy everyday of my life. If they want to die for a pot of honey and few virgins, well lets be it. I am not giving up on my freedom.
Exactly, but most americans are afraid of their own shadows and expect the government to eliminate all risk from their lives. That seems to be the basis of much of the tough talk from both politicians and the bubbas that vote for them.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:25 PM
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If they want to die for a pot of honey and few virgins, well lets be it. I am not giving up on my freedom.
Better hope they don't take you with them next time they decide to go **** a virgin.

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Old 12-29-2009, 02:30 PM
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Better hope they don't take you with them next time they decide to go **** a virgin.

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NO Peter I don't hope, I'm enjoying life every single second.
What I wish is that if I am on that plane with this MotherF.... I WISH that I will have at least a few seconds before the bomb set off so I can punch the $hit out of him. It will give me a peace knowing that I got HIM/HER first.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:40 PM
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Like I said earlier, the terrorists have already won.

We are searched at airports, treated like crap at US border crossings, and within 100 miles of the border can be searched without warrants! All in the name of stopping drugs or terrorists http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-85472575.html

It's sad. I don't live my life in fear. If I die I die. Life is just cruel and unexpected like that. We can prevent as much as we can, but anyone who is truly determined to do drastic amounts of harm will be able to do so.

I am truly saddened by what I see in this country.
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:42 PM
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As far as a high speed train running into anythng....

High speed trains have NO grade crossings. They either go over or under grade crossings so they never have any reason to slow down. This is one reason they cost to much to build.

Security of the right-of-way is something that can be accomplished. Pipelines and refineries have very good security, and some pipeline companies have even considered leasing their right-of-way to rail lines so the high speed trains could be a source of revenue to them.

One big deterant to high speed rail, as odd as this may sound, are the land owners whose property the line would cross. These trains scare the life out of cattle and make plowing a field rather difficult.

But the biggest deteriant is the airline industry. There was a line like this proposed to run between Dallas and Houston about 20 years ago and the airlines fought it tooth and nail. I guess it never occoured to the airlines that they should invest in the rail line for if they had it would be a big source of revenue to them now. (That is, if it could be done at a profit.)

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