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Old 02-11-2010, 04:45 PM
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I forgot you're from South Africa.
Yeah, you forgot. Evidently the dates on that article must be wrong, or we must be stuck in some kind of Star Trek timewarp thingy. I was under the impression this was 2010, not 1800 somthing. Or 1960 etc.

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It isn't foreigners taking their resources. It's about globalist hegemony and monopolization of said resources and preventing competing wealth. The CIA was founded specifically for such purposes and the banks have been doing it for centuries.
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It’s easy to wonder how world leaders, journalists, religious figures and ordinary citizens looked the other way while six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. And it’s even easier to assume that we’d do better.

Why don't we just be honest. We will give lip service to problems but we won't really fix them if it requires a sacrifice on our part? I think we'd be a lot happier if we can just be honest with ourselves instead of trying to play the good guy. The honest truth is that we will say whatever it takes to make ourselves sleep well. That is, until push comes to shove and then we walk.
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It isn't foreigners taking their resources. It's about globalist hegemony and monopolization of said resources and preventing competing wealth. The CIA was founded specifically for such purposes and the banks have been doing it for centuries.
Very good point. If one looks at who is doing the financing required to arm certain movements, one will also find undeniable parallells, whether it's the Civil War, WWI+II or continued unrest with genocidal tendencies throughout Africa.
That's only accommodating the past 250 years or the time since the beginning of modern banking systems.
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I see, an atrocity is less so because there is no irrefutible accounting. Got it.
Considering the treshold between fact and fiction, the only real atrocity is Truth.
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It is estimated that 11 Million were victims of the Holocaust, of which an estimated 6 Million were Jewish. What's your point again?
You're OP was saying the Holocaust should move over as soon there would be 6.9 mil dead, and the Holocaust had 6 million dead. I correctly pointed out that your figures were incorrect and frankly PI. More non jews died in the Holocaust than jews and you act like non jews were not murdered with your statement. It seems more and more jewish and non jewish folks want to state the Holocaust only killed jewish people. Most scholars estimate between 7 and 11 million non jews were murdered by the Hitler's minions. I hope you do not wish to "eliminate" those folks from histories memory by saying and stating that the Holocaust only had jewish victims.
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The emphasis ought to be on 'estimated', right? It's amazing how those numbers keep shifting upward, decade after decade ...
The numbers have not shifted upwards- they have been a steady 13-17 million depending on various methods of estimation for over 40 years. The 6 million jews figure has stayed unchanged since the end of the war.
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Yeah, you forgot. Evidently the dates on that article must be wrong, or we must be stuck in some kind of Star Trek timewarp thingy. I was under the impression this was 2010, not 1800 somthing. Or 1960 etc.

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No the dates are not wrong, it just shows that the Congo was plundered by the West for a long long time. And that it has everything to do with the civil war that's going on there for the last decade or more. Every faction that's involved in that war wants a part of that pie.

You're are not willing to give me an explanation why it isn't. And I guess that is because you don't have one.
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Something tells me that there won't be a never ending series of Hollywood films on it.
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No the dates are not wrong, it just shows that the Congo was plundered by the West for a long long time. And that it has everything to do with the civil war that's going on there for the last decade or more.
A typical distortion. Even if the civil war there has been going on for several decades that still beg's the question what happend between 1960 (the last date in your article) and the start of that civil war. Civil war didn't start because "the west" decided to invade Congo in 1990's and plunder it's wealth. Thats a typical liberal facile paternalistic oversimplification of the realities of life in Africa.

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Something tells me that there won't be a never ending series of Hollywood films on it.
That would be correct. Hollywoods already been there and done that. It's called Blood Diamond. Not about the Congo itself but a pretty good film none the less. Also likely the only one there will be.

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A typical distortion. Even if the civil war there has been going on for several decades that still beg's the question what happend between 1960 (the last date in your article) and the start of that civil war. Civil war didn't start because "the west" decided to invade Congo in 1990's and plunder it's wealth. Thats a typical liberal facile paternalistic oversimplification of the realities of life in Africa.

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If that is so, what are the realities than?
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If that is so, what are the realities than?
Africa is no paradise and staggeringly enough, sometimes black people actually fight each other without the white mans help.

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Africa is no paradise and staggeringly enough, sometimes black people actually fight each other without the white mans help.

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Sometimes? How about all the other times, esp when modern arms come into play?
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Africa is no paradise and staggeringly enough, sometimes black people actually fight each other without the white mans help.

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How about the Ivory coast region that has almost no real government right now? That sounds like paradise to me: no taxes, 'authority', or trade regulation. All black people thriving, specifically because there's no white man's influence.

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