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Old 09-28-2010, 06:42 PM
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the point is that she is covered by a government run health plan. the same 'evil' that she campaigns against. how can you not get the irony??
Next move: Watch her publicly refudiate her health coverage and subsequently slip on a grape on a supermarket floor. Loser.

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Old 09-28-2010, 06:46 PM
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So what is it you expect? She is reaping her benefits that she paid into. Or if you want to split hairs, it is what her husband, whom she is legally married into got as a condition of employment.

Or is what you are saying that I should turn down my SS check because I am against it but I have paid into it in my past?

I expect someone who is covered by a government run plan to be open about the good parts and the bad. Not to campaign about the evils of government, while reaping the benefit.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you are against it, NO CHECK FOR YOU!! (said in the soup nazi voice)
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Old 09-28-2010, 06:50 PM
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I expect someone who is covered by a government run plan to be open about the good parts and the bad. Not to campaign about the evils of government, while reaping the benefit.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you are against it, NO CHECK FOR YOU!! (said in the soup nazi voice)
That was earned, mind you. As part of the wages came the benefits. Obviously, all of the benefits are also tied into the paycheck so what she got, was earned.

Fair enough. Would you refund me all that I have paid into it, plus interest?

Edit: That is a pretty good way to gag dissent. In order for someone to be against an item, be it SS, taxes or whatever, they have to pay into it and forfeit any claim to the benefits they paid for. Or am I misreading you?
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:46 AM
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Angle and that witchcraft tart, along with Rand Paul will soon be on Dancing with the has-been Stars. They're being shown for the hypocrites they are quite nicely.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:56 AM
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I expect someone who is covered by a government run plan to be open about the good parts and the bad. Not to campaign about the evils of government, while reaping the benefit.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you are against it, NO CHECK FOR YOU!! (said in the soup nazi voice)
I feel the same way about people who constantly talk about the evils of the US and how they are ashamed to be an American, while reaping the benefits of said citizenship.
I'm sure Harry Reid isn't benefitting in any way from the government run plans that he sings the praises of and tries to shove down our throats. He doesn't need to- he has more than enough money from his years of "public service" to take care of himself.
JR- how much money are you getting paid by Harry to help out on his smear campaign against Sharron Angle? That is all he has left as he certainly can't run on his record. Did you come up with the buzzwords psycho and tea party hypocrite all by yourself or were they spoon fed to you by your handlers? One thing your leader Saul Alinsky didn't take into account is that not everyone is as gullible as a liberal, but nice try. I'll make you a gentlemans bet- If Reid wins I'll wear an "I love socialism" shirt to work for a week, and if Angle wins you have to wear a "I love George Bush" shirt to work (assuming you actually have a job) for a week. Do we have a deal?
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Old 09-29-2010, 02:28 AM
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I feel the same way about people who constantly talk about the evils of the US and how they are ashamed to be an American, while reaping the benefits of said citizenship.
I'm sure Harry Reid isn't benefitting in any way from the government run plans that he sings the praises of and tries to shove down our throats. He doesn't need to- he has more than enough money from his years of "public service" to take care of himself.
JR- how much money are you getting paid by Harry to help out on his smear campaign against Sharron Angle? That is all he has left as he certainly can't run on his record. Did you come up with the buzzwords psycho and tea party hypocrite all by yourself or were they spoon fed to you by your handlers? One thing your leader Saul Alinsky didn't take into account is that not everyone is as gullible as a liberal, but nice try. I'll make you a gentlemans bet- If Reid wins I'll wear an "I love socialism" shirt to work for a week, and if Angle wins you have to wear a "I love George Bush" shirt to work (assuming you actually have a job) for a week. Do we have a deal?
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Old 09-29-2010, 10:30 AM
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I feel the same way about people who constantly talk about the evils of the US and how they are ashamed to be an American, while reaping the benefits of said citizenship.
I'm sure Harry Reid isn't benefitting in any way from the government run plans that he sings the praises of and tries to shove down our throats. He doesn't need to- he has more than enough money from his years of "public service" to take care of himself.
JR- how much money are you getting paid by Harry to help out on his smear campaign against Sharron Angle? That is all he has left as he certainly can't run on his record. Did you come up with the buzzwords psycho and tea party hypocrite all by yourself or were they spoon fed to you by your handlers? One thing your leader Saul Alinsky didn't take into account is that not everyone is as gullible as a liberal, but nice try. I'll make you a gentlemans bet- If Reid wins I'll wear an "I love socialism" shirt to work for a week, and if Angle wins you have to wear a "I love George Bush" shirt to work (assuming you actually have a job) for a week. Do we have a deal?
Ah, no one pays me anything. I find that as stupid an observation as me asking you if Glenn Beck paid you a salary to post here - possible, but I think Glenn could do better then a car forum, so I think the possibility is in the realm of the ridiculous. And the record? She's on record stating that the way we need to solve our political problems is to start shooting each other, she is on record that the way we need to solve our SSI problem is to eliminate it, she is on record wanting to abolish the EPA......

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Old 09-29-2010, 11:08 AM
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That was earned, mind you. As part of the wages came the benefits. Obviously, all of the benefits are also tied into the paycheck so what she got, was earned.

Fair enough. Would you refund me all that I have paid into it, plus interest?

Edit: That is a pretty good way to gag dissent. In order for someone to be against an item, be it SS, taxes or whatever, they have to pay into it and forfeit any claim to the benefits they paid for. Or am I misreading you?

Here in America, greatest nation on earth, home of freedom and democracy, one can talk out of both sides of one's face while running for public office. This "Angle" is merely using freedom of speech to advance her political position, all the while benefiting from this thing she derides as evil government. We are also free to stick our heads in the sand and ignore these juxtapositions, which seems to be where you are now. Again, if you cannot grasp the irony of it, I'm not sure that I can help you. You can't help those that will not help themselves....

Sarcasm apparently runs with the same crowd as irony... invisible to some.

Hey 10fords, is this quote of yours referring to Angle??? - I feel the same way about people who constantly talk about the evils of the US and how they are ashamed to be an American, while reaping the benefits of said citizenship.
Very astute the way you picked up on that. Glad to see that JR's thread is opening some eyes...
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Old 09-29-2010, 11:41 AM
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Here in America, greatest nation on earth, home of freedom and democracy, one can talk out of both sides of one's face while running for public office.

This "Angle" is merely using freedom of speech to advance her political position, all the while benefiting from this thing she derides as evil government. We are also free to stick our heads in the sand and ignore these juxtapositions, which seems to be where you are now. Again, if you cannot grasp the irony of it, I'm not sure that I can help you. You can't help those that will not help themselves....
Been out of the country lately? Doesn't sound like you have or you are trying to sensationalize a point. We are human. Other places have humans. They do the same thing. Nothing new there.

That still doesn't answer my question, does it? Once again. Are you saying that the only way I can disagree with something that I am forced to pay for is to divorce myself from the benefits IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT I HAD TO PAY INTO IT. It is a simple question that requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

Edit: One more question that I asked and you didn't seem to dare to answer. I disagree with SS. If I divorced myself from SS, would you pay me back the money I put in with interest?

You wouldn't be trying to gag dissent, would you?
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:12 PM
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Been out of the country lately? Doesn't sound like you have or you are trying to sensationalize a point. We are human. Other places have humans. They do the same thing. Nothing new there.

That still doesn't answer my question, does it? Once again. Are you saying that the only way I can disagree with something that I am forced to pay for is to divorce myself from the benefits IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT I HAD TO PAY INTO IT. It is a simple question that requires a "yes" or "no" answer.

Edit: One more question that I asked and you didn't seem to dare to answer. I disagree with SS. If I divorced myself from SS, would you pay me back the money I put in with interest?

You wouldn't be trying to gag dissent, would you?
Ah yes.... the infamous "Alkim framing the argument to his liking" post....

No one is saying that anyone has to do anything, but when you criticize something that you are benefiting from, that is called "ironic" And can be seen as hypocritical. If she wanted to come out with why gov't run health plans are bad because of her experience with them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but she isn't. She is a hypocrite. Besides, she didn't pay into it, her husband did. Is everything you earn your wife's?

I thought I answered that one, no I wouldn't give you your money back. Interest??? Ha. You're very funny. Like it or not, we've all been playing the SS game for a long time, and it's way too late to say you want out.

Gag dissent? never. Call people out on their hypocrisy? absolutely. Whenever possible
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Ah, no one pays me anything.
So you are jobless. How do you get food to eat? If no one pays you anything then either 1). You are a parasitic worm sponging off the rest of the planet or 2). You've made enough money to live without working.
No wonder you're a flaming knee jerk leftist liberal- you need to eat but no one pays you anything.


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Besides, she didn't pay into it, her husband did. Is everything you earn your wife's?
Yup it is. Do you really think a husband or wife gets to keep from their spouse money they earned while married? Maybe in entitlement world people get divorced so they can have a bigger welfare check, but in the real world a married couple's finances are joint. Perhaps you may in the future understand "small things" like that actually make a difference.
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Old 09-29-2010, 12:32 PM
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No one is saying that anyone has to do anything, but when you criticize something that you are benefiting from, that is called "ironic" And can be seen as hypocritical. If she wanted to come out with why gov't run health plans are bad because of her experience with them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but she isn't. She is a hypocrite.

Besides, she didn't pay into it, her husband did. Is everything you earn your wife's?

I thought I answered that one, no I wouldn't give you your money back. Interest??? Ha. You're very funny. Like it or not, we've all been playing the SS game for a long time, and it's way too late to say you want out.

Gag dissent? never. Call people out on their hypocrisy? absolutely. Whenever possible
Again, she paid for it. Would you refund her for it? When an employer has to hire someone, they typically count everything in it. IOW, you want more benefits, you get less wages. You can't (at least not as far as I can see) have both.

What's your point? The money is co-mingled and therefore, it is the same thing. Pretty much so would be the answer. If I got a credit card tomorrow and maxed it out, my wife is also responsible. If she wins the lottery tomorrow, it is also my gain.

So let me understand you. I cannot get out of it and I have to pay into it. If I criticize it and say it is a bad plan, I cannot take what I paid into it out without being a hypocrite? So, who can criticize it? Except if you are fabulously wealthy and can write off what you put in?

Fair enough. What do you expect her to do? Give up what was paid into it or STFU?

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