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aklim · #31 09-29-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Yup it is. Do you really think a husband or wife gets to keep from their spouse money they earned while married?

Maybe in entitlement world people get divorced so they can have a bigger welfare check, but in the real world a married couple's finances are joint. Perhaps you may in the future understand "small things" like that actually make a difference.

I THINK you can keep separate accounts but I am not sure that you can so easily separate the finances in the eyes of the law. Lets say my father bought me a house and we lived in it. Is that totally mine? Sure. However, if we divorce, I THINK it would be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that none of HER earnings went towards the maintenance of the house and therefore it would be hard to cut her out. OTOH, if we got divorced right after my parents bought me the house, I think that case is easy. After a bunch of years, I think it is now muddy waters.

MTUpower · #32 09-29-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I THINK you can keep separate accounts but I am not sure that you can so easily separate the finances in the eyes of the law. Lets say my father bought me a house and we lived in it. Is that totally mine? Sure. However, if we divorce, I THINK it would be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that none of HER earnings went towards the maintenance of the house and therefore it would be hard to cut her out. OTOH, if we got divorced right after my parents bought me the house, I think that case is easy. After a bunch of years, I think it is now muddy waters.

I was speaking of money they earned- not gifts from family members.

JollyRoger · #33 09-29-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

So you are jobless. How do you get food to eat? If no one pays you anything then either 1). You are a parasitic worm sponging off the rest of the planet or 2). You've made enough money to live without working.
No wonder you're a flaming knee jerk leftist liberal- you need to eat but no one pays you anything.

Actually, I'm loaded. Eat your heart out!

If you had actually read the post carefully, you might see that my response on not "getting paid" was in response to his claim that I must be getting paid by Harry Reid or some such drivel, to post on this minor web site so that the dozen or so misfits like yourself who post here will be swayed to communism. Try to follow along.

MTUpower · #34 09-29-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Actually, I'm loaded. Eat your heart out!

Then please join AA, if not for yourself then so that you don't drive drunk and kill an innocent.

JollyRoger · #35 09-29-2010, 12:54 PM

Please take an English comprehension course.

cmbdiesel · #36 09-29-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Yup it is. Do you really think a husband or wife gets to keep from their spouse money they earned while married?

Maybe in entitlement world people get divorced so they can have a bigger welfare check, but in the real world a married couple's finances are joint. Perhaps you may in the future understand "small things" like that actually make a difference.

I was speaking to Aklim. I am certain that everything HE makes does not automatically become his wife's do with as she pleases.

aklim · #37 09-29-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

I was speaking of money they earned- not gifts from family members.

Wouldn't that also fall under the same lines? After all, I would find it hard to figure out a way to separate the money when both put it towards common causes in a marriage. I'm trying to understand how he figures out that this is my money and my benefits and those are your benefits and that is your money.

He seems to think that what the husband brings into the marriage in terms of money and benefits are not common property and therefore not as though she earned it. The way I see it, the more he brings in, the more she benefits and vice versa.

tjts1 · #38 09-29-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Then please join AA, if not for yourself then so that you don't drive drunk and kill an innocent.

Please read this before you post anything else.
http://www.kentlaw.edu/academics/lrw/grinker/LwtaSentence_Structure.htm

aklim · #39 09-29-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I was speaking to Aklim. I am certain that everything HE makes does not automatically become his wife's do with as she pleases.

Yoda voice: So certain, are you?

She does have a relatively free hand to do what she wants with the money or property. Obviously, we do consult each other when we get to certain items that we aren't sure about or items over a certain figure. As my medical POA, she could, if I am down, shut me down permanently and take over everything. I did give her that power. Everything I make is hers do do as she please within certain limits as everything she makes is mine to do with within those limits.

cmbdiesel · #40 09-29-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Again, she paid for it. Would you refund her for it? When an employer has to hire someone, they typically count everything in it. IOW, you want more benefits, you get less wages. You can't (at least not as far as I can see) have both.

What's your point? The money is co-mingled and therefore, it is the same thing. Pretty much so would be the answer. If I got a credit card tomorrow and maxed it out, my wife is also responsible. If she wins the lottery tomorrow, it is also my gain.

So let me understand you. I cannot get out of it and I have to pay into it. If I criticize it and say it is a bad plan, I cannot take what I paid into it out without being a hypocrite? So, who can criticize it? Except if you are fabulously wealthy and can write off what you put in?

Fair enough. What do you expect her to do? Give up what was paid into it or STFU?

Yes, Irony is invisible to you.... Must be a bleak world you live in with everything so monochromatic...

last chance charlie... she runs on a platform of criticizing gov't run health plans.... she is receiving benefits from a gov't run health care program... she does not admit to being on the plan.... she does not use her experience to highlight the problems with gov't run health care programs (which she should certainly have if they are as bad as she says)... she is in a position to accurately dissect the gov't run healthcare program, but apparently cannot, because it is not poorly managed... does this not scuttle her argument that gov't run health plans are bad? does it not show her to be a hypocrite? anytime one is campaigning against something which they are involved in, the only way to combat the appearance of hypocrisy is with disclosure. something she did not do. she may have valid points, she may have been able to use her experience to promote her argument, but she did not... all outward appearances are that she is perfectly happy with her gov't run health plan...

Just to be clear, I am not speaking now about the validity of her argument, just the ridiculous position which she has put herself. hypocrite, loser, tea-bagger

I really can't dumb it down any further, so if you are still lost, I can not help you.

PaulC · #41 09-29-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

So you are jobless. How do you get food to eat? If no one pays you anything then either 1). You are a parasitic worm sponging off the rest of the planet or 2). You've made enough money to live without working.
No wonder you're a flaming knee jerk leftist liberal- you need to eat but no one pays you anything.

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aklim · #42 09-29-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Just to be clear, I am not speaking now about the validity of her argument, just the ridiculous position which she has put herself. hypocrite, loser, tea-bagger

Yes, I know she wasn't totally forthcoming about her being on the plan that she (or if it pleases you, her husband) earned but not unexpected when it comes to politicians. Politicians never tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth be they Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, etc, etc so what else is new there?

Lets leave the irony part out of this for now and concentrate on her options shall we?

1. Divorce herself from the family benefits and commit financial "hari kiri"
2. Accept the benefits the family earned, speak against it and be called a hypocrite

Do you see an option 3 or what do you suggest? According to post 17, you seem to allude to option 1. What is YOUR position?

cmbdiesel · #43 09-29-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yoda voice: So certain, are you?

She does have a relatively free hand to do what she wants with the money or property. Obviously, we do consult each other when we get to certain items that we aren't sure about or items over a certain figure. As my medical POA, she could, if I am down, shut me down permanently and take over everything. I did give her that power. Everything I make is hers do do as she please within certain limits as everything she makes is mine to do with within those limits.

Always two there are, no more, no less...

PaulC · #44 09-29-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yes, I know she wasn't totally forthcoming about her being on the plan that she (or if it pleases you, her husband) earned but not unexpected when it comes to politicians. Politicians never tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth be they Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, etc, etc so what else is new there?

Lets leave the irony part out of this for now and concentrate on her options shall we?

1. Divorce herself from the family benefits and commit financial "hari kiri"
2. Accept the benefits the family earned, speak against it and be called a hypocrite

Do you see an option 3 or what do you suggest? According to post 17, you seem to allude to option 1. What is YOUR position?

As a U.S. Senator, she would receive taxpayer-funded health coverage, no? If so, I vote #1, as win or lose, the "divorce" would be short-lived.

cmbdiesel · #45 09-29-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yes, I know she wasn't totally forthcoming about her being on the plan that she (or if it pleases you, her husband) earned but not unexpected when it comes to politicians. Politicians never tell the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth be they Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea Party, etc, etc so what else is new there?

Lets leave the irony part out of this for now and concentrate on her options shall we?

1. Divorce herself from the family benefits and commit financial "hari kiri"
2. Accept the benefits the family earned, speak against it and be called a hypocrite

Do you see an option 3 or what do you suggest? According to post 17, you seem to allude to option 1. What is YOUR position?

Option 3 - (the door of this opportunity is closed) Before criticizing the gov't run health plan, admit that you are on one. Bring out the good and bad points. Explain why the parts that work are non transferable to what you are criticizing (lots of room there) Explain the parts that don't work and use your experience to highlight the focal points of your platform (even more room, and very good campaign tactic)

She did not do this. She did not figure to be found out as being on a gov't managed plan, so she is either a 'moran' a hypocrite, or both.