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Old 08-15-2011, 12:12 PM
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Harry, You don't know that it was my child that did the snooping. As it turns out it was the other child that knew where the gun was. Regardless of whose child snooped, or which child used the gun, the end result could have been a dead child. In their youthful zeal young children ride their bikes or chase a dog or ball into the street regardless of their training. The driver of the car can say that it is the parent's or the kid's fault but when the child is lying dead in the road the child is still dead and all the moralizing and assigning of blame will not bring that child back to life.

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Old 08-15-2011, 04:45 PM
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Four rules:

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to shoot.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to shoot.

Follow all four and you will never have an accidental shooting. These rules are so simple a child can learn them. For those too young to learn these rules we have Eddie Eagle's instructions to youngsters encountering unattended weapons:

1. Stop.
2. Don't touch.
3. Leave the area.
4. Tell an adult.

Firearms, like many things can be dangerous, but lack of proper training is what really makes them dangerous.
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The rules are all well and good but you are dealing with kids that have the brain of a chicken at that age. They don't remember to close the door when they come and go or turn out the lights when they leave a room or wipe their feet when they come inside. Children, esp. boys at that age are just a mass of impulsiveness and they act when they feel like it without regard to consequence. That is the reason that there are 105 boy children born for every 100 girls. Watch America's Funniest Videos and Youtube and see who are doing the most dangerous and stupid adventures. It is not girls.
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:33 PM
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Perhaps if you had taught your Nosey lil Tyke not to mess around with other peoples stuff. But that would involve Upbringing. Things happen for a reason and proper upbringing is a Good Reason to have. Read them the story of Pandoras box for instance....
wow. self righteous much?
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:58 AM
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One's waistband seems like an intuitively poor choice to stash a handgun. I'm wondering if in the title they left a word out, and it was supposed to read:

"man shoots penis off."
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:22 AM
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one is reminded of philip marlowe's line in "the big sleep":

"such a lot of guns around town, and so few brains."
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:08 AM
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I'll be happy to take a proficiency test to become the owner of a firearm.
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:56 PM
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Harry, You don't know that it was my child that did the snooping. As it turns out it was the other child that knew where the gun was. Regardless of whose child snooped, or which child used the gun, the end result could have been a dead child. In their youthful zeal young children ride their bikes or chase a dog or ball into the street regardless of their training. The driver of the car can say that it is the parent's or the kid's fault but when the child is lying dead in the road the child is still dead and all the moralizing and assigning of blame will not bring that child back to life.
I don't Know even if you have a child.
But I Know you stated that your child and a friend were snooping around thus eluding that your offspring was the instigator. Now if you had stated that your child's friend and he were snooping around I would have posted differently. I hope your child has matured to a fine young adult and is in good health at this posting . Too bad you and your friend could not have worked things out about the hidden weapon .

It is truly a horrendous occasion when the death of a child happens for any reason however snooping around in a neighbors attic and youthful zeal are not comparative here but rather simple teachings of respect for others peoples property is the point I was trying to make.

Children need to be constantly supervised in the world we live in today or mishaps will occur. You see it on the news daily . Kids get out of the house and lock them selves in cars and die of heat exhaustion,or jump in the swimming pool when parents are cooking dinner and drown ,they get mauled,maimed and killed by pets in their own home or neighbors yard because they are unattended and left to run wild about the neighborhood or house,Mall,neighbors house ,supermarket and elsewhere.
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:57 PM
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wow. self righteous much?
Not at all just common sense .
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Old 08-17-2011, 01:04 PM
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The problem with gun laws is that they don't take into account the fact, and it is a fact that has been proven countless times in the past and will continue to be proven in the future, that no matter how smart the owner is in hiding the gun it seems that any 5 year old can find it and shoot his friend
Not at my house unless the 5 year old develops proficient safe cracking skills. In that case I'd be a bit more worried about why they wanted the gun in the first place!

People are idiots, in a case like this it makes for one heck of a funny news story!

Said pistol was probably a little Kel Tec or something similar, they have a really long heavy trigger pull but other than that no safety's. In theory if its stored in its holster its impossible for an accidental discharge, in theory.

I don't really trust such designs because triggers can always be accidentally pulled, I won't own a pistol without a positive safety that blocks the trigger, like a 1911, for example.

Even the lauded Glock safety trigger, plenty of people have shot themselves with their own Glock.
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Old 08-17-2011, 01:13 PM
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Since were talking about pink guns:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=246856787
This Walther is a better design, it has a hammer drop and positive safety on the upper slide, which is very European. Same as a 92FS and Mak. I like this design, if the trigger catches when you shove it down your pants you won't shoot your penis off!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=247023713
This is what I bet his wife had, or something similar. All the cheap little .380's/9's have about the same battery of arms. Notice the trigger is very far out in the guard, almost like a toy gun. The reason for this is for a long heavy pull which in theory makes accidental discharges impossible. Also you carry them in a holster which covers the trigger. Still if the trigger is pulled it will go off.

The reason for this design is because its easier to make and less training intensive. A manual safety must be swept off for the weapon to function, and in a stressful situation that may not happen. When you consider someone 20ft away with a knife can stick you with in in only a few seconds, not remembering to sweep the safety can be the difference between life and death.

This is why most law enforcement agencies issue Glocks, they are less training intensive than everything else, because quite frankly most cops don't shoot anywhere near enough. With a Glock its just point and click, nothing to remember, and the 17's they are issued have close to bottomless mags.
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Since were talking about pink guns:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=246856787
This Walther is a better design, it has a hammer drop and positive safety on the upper slide, which is very European. Same as a 92FS and Mak. I like this design, if the trigger catches when you shove it down your pants you won't shoot your penis off!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=247023713
This is what I bet his wife had, or something similar. All the cheap little .380's/9's have about the same battery of arms. Notice the trigger is very far out in the guard, almost like a toy gun. The reason for this is for a long heavy pull which in theory makes accidental discharges impossible. Also you carry them in a holster which covers the trigger. Still if the trigger is pulled it will go off.

The reason for this design is because its easier to make and less training intensive. A manual safety must be swept off for the weapon to function, and in a stressful situation that may not happen. When you consider someone 20ft away with a knife can stick you with in in only a few seconds, not remembering to sweep the safety can be the difference between life and death.

This is why most law enforcement agencies issue Glocks, they are less training intensive than everything else, because quite frankly most cops don't shoot anywhere near enough. With a Glock its just point and click, nothing to remember, and the 17's they are issued have close to bottomless mags.
That Keltec is a Jam-O-Matic....

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Worst case of accidental early discharge I ever heard of!
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Even the lauded Glock safety trigger, plenty of people have shot themselves with their own Glock.
Including a cop in the same neck of the woods about a year ago I believe. Shot his finger off...

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Old 08-17-2011, 07:38 PM
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Keltec's are not terrible, I have shot a number of them.

How is that S&W in .44? It seems like it would be kind of snappy, what about .357?

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