I think he's cracking...

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All you've got to do is ammend the US Constitution and you'll be good to go on that!

That's what I said. Did you not read it?

Churches should NOT be making profit, so there would be no income to tax.

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

Well Larry is all for so lets do it!

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I envision this great tea-party utopia: SOMALIA!.

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How did South Korea change from being a dismally poor country in the 1950's to an Asian economic powerhouse? Government subsidies.

Read Ha-Joon Chang 23 things they don't tell you about Capitalism or Bad Samaritans.

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1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
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I hear the space program was a huge boondoggle too.....as well as the intercontinental raliroad, interstate highways and those massively stupid bridges across rivers!

Oh yes, of course we would also want privately run Fire departments, police and military.

Don't forget the wasteful nasty government intrusion into our lives.....sanitary sewers and public water supplies!

Stupid government....taking our money and just wasting it!

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

If only that was the extent of it...

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aw T now you've touched on larrys touchstones, he got a free meal ticket from the gov for yrs--and an attitude that still hundering him.

If you are talking about his military service you are way off calling it a free meal ticket. He went to Viet Nam If I am not mistaken. There were no free meal tickets there and no place you were completely safe.

A friend of mine was in the Navy and that did not sound too bad a duty. They parked just over the horizon and lobbed shells at the north.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

You're using the Internet. In its early days, it was subsidized by DoD.

Why go to this extreme? Nobody I have read, is saying government has NO role, is demanding that we stop building bridges, or stop having public financing of police and fire departments. Why bring them into this discussion?

The opposite, and equally extreme position is to maintain that there should be no limits on what government can spend. They can finance any program, subsidize any idea, support any "scientific" endeavor.

Is there not a more sensible position that requires government to track their "investments" and when they are failing, to pull the plug? Or have you never heard of the admonition to not continue to throw good money after bad? Is requiring government to be accountable to the citizens for the money it confiscates from the citizens a bad idea?

You advocate that waste is GOOD?

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No.

But if the criteria is no program with any waste in it should be allowed most of what the government is involved with would go away.....probably all of it.

And if not working means it immediately must be defunded we would not have accomplished any number of worthwhile things.

Funding research on alternative energies seems like a pretty good idea to me.

Of course anything that involves politics ultimately ends up with folks getting contracts and so forth because of their connections rather than their qualifications.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I too am suspicious of any program that require subsidies to stay in operation, including farming subsidies, oil subsidies, etc. However, the military is a common defense supported by a common pool of money, but it is given subsidies, it is operated on a budget. Can we agree that the military does not belong in this category?

Then, can we agree that as homeowners and taxpayers we pay for Fire and Police, as well as 'public' water and sanitary sewers. The 'government' may float a bond issue to build the infrastructure in the first place but we are expected to pay it back with established rates for these services. In fact, some of us buy these bonds and make money...

OK, back to energy. Electrical utilities have built fossil-fuel power plants without Government money, but they are not rushing to invest nearly as heavily in solar or wind technologies. Why not? Since they are reluctant to make the initial investment without seeing an acceptable payback, why should the 'government' be eager to jump in with subsidies that will artificially lower the initial investment?

What are the useful lifespans of solar equipment?
What loss of efficiency can be expected over the lifespan?
How much 'extra' solar plant do you install to allow for this loss?
When do you replace the cells to regain lost capacity?

Operating costs for solar may be so large that the payback time may be a lot longer, or there may be no payback. If there is no payback, solar will require subsidies forever, or the utilities could just raise our energy rates to pay for the solar plant. If fossil fuel power is available at lower investment and operating costs, solar energy would be irresponsible on their part and a disservice to their customers.

My head hurts...

Oh that had nothing to do with a uniform viewpoint of it's citizens now did it? When you have one group of people they tend to think the same... and that can lead to super power or super toppled.