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Old 10-21-2011, 11:24 AM
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al gore takes us for a ride again.

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Old 10-21-2011, 11:28 AM
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Wow, Glenn Beck's website, I bet that is a fact-filled, unbiased article. Tell me, was it linked from a "FEMA Camps" screed or a gold scam page? I wonder why they never mention the name of this supposed "venture capital firm" that Gore is a "partner" with? Why I got it! If they did, we could check to see if it was true!
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:11 PM
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Oh man I want that car so bad!

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If the electric car is such a fabulous idea then why can it not be developed and make profit on its own without government intervention?

General Motors is one of the most experienced car makers in the world and the Volt is a total flop. What makes Mr. Green Jeans think he can do better and who does the government think they are putting MY tax money into this crap? THEN they make it on foreign soil!!!!!!!!!! What is WRONG with this bunch of Bozo's in DC?!?!?!?!?!
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What about the space shuttle? Or the moon launch? According to your logic, we should have never done it, right?
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What about the space shuttle? Or the moon launch? According to your logic, we should have never done it, right?

You REALLY need to stop and think a little bit from time to time. Wait a minute, you tried doing that in the thread where you posted all the convoluted crap and that didn't produce anything substantive. Silly me!

An electric car or solar cells are CONSUMER products, not R&D work.
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Old 10-21-2011, 02:35 PM
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You REALLY need to stop and think a little bit from time to time. Wait a minute, you tried doing that in the thread where you posted all the convoluted crap and that didn't produce anything substantive. Silly me!

An electric car or solar cells are CONSUMER products, not R&D work.
It costs $500 to $700 million every time the shuttle flied (good that they finally put a stop to that madness) in perspective $50 million development subsidiary seems peanuts to me for a brilliant car.
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Old 10-21-2011, 02:38 PM
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It cost us a few billions every time we crashed one. We also crashed plenty of space craft on unmanned missions. Funny how the same kind of attempt to get us off foreign oil, and endeavor many would say has more potential returns to the US than flying around in space, is "different" to these right wingers. The real truth is that only the government can afford to take those kinds of risks, business would never do it.
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Old 10-21-2011, 02:43 PM
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I think there are instances where the market can be too slow. Conservation is one of those areas. Seems that the 'need' for an efficient car only appears when the fuel cost are high. When fuel was hitting $5 a gallon, all of a sudden people wanted efficient transportation. We need the transportation now, not when it is already to late. We need to be proactive, not reactive. Fixing the levies in Louisiana after the hurricane hit will not help the situation that already happened.

I would have rather seen the government offer a prize for the first company to build a car to 'x' specifications rather than a fund a specific company. Offering a prize will spur competition and a better product in the end. We do need to do something to break this oil addiction.
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I think there are instances where the market can be too slow. Conservation is one of those areas. Seems that the 'need' for an efficient car only appears when the fuel cost are high. When fuel was hitting $5 a gallon, all of a sudden people wanted efficient transportation. We need the transportation now, not when it is already to late. We need to be proactive, not reactive. Fixing the levies in Louisiana after the hurricane hit will not help the situation that already happened.

I would have rather seen the government offer a prize for the first company to build a car to 'x' specifications rather than a fund a specific company. Offering a prize will spur competition and a better product in the end. We do need to do something to break this oil addiction.

Now a PRIZE is something I can buy in on. That's what got Lindbergh to fly the Atlantic which was a huge boost for aviation. That makes MUCH more sense than the government risking MY tax money and YOURS and sticking their noses in the free markets.
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Like they did during the Space Program?
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Oh man I want that car so bad!

I'm partial to the hatchback myself.
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If we were talking about something like a flight to Mars where technology must be INVENTED then okay it might involve a government program. In the case of an electric car or solar panels, the technology EXISTS. It's about PRODUCTION.

GM made an electric car and it has been a flop. Indirectly some of our tax money has been pi$$ed away on that. Now you guys want to give Mr. Green Jeans money to PRODUCE it in another country. Stop & think about this. Even if you think it's a good idea to pump MY tax money into this, do you REALLY think it's wise to pump the money into it when it would, IF successful, produce jobs IN ANOTHER COUNTRY?

Come on guys! Put on your thinking caps here. I thought we were needing jobs in THIS country.
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I also like how they integrated the GM 2.0 turbo generator into a RWD EV platform. A lot of original thinking went into this design. It would be very easy to them to do a pure EV version for those of us without range anxiety.
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If we were talking about something like a flight to Mars where technology must be INVENTED then okay it might involve a government program. In the case of an electric car or solar panels, the technology EXISTS. It's about PRODUCTION.

GM made an electric car and it has been a flop. Indirectly some of our tax money has been pi$$ed away on that. Now you guys want to give Mr. Green Jeans money to PRODUCE it in another country. Stop & think about this. Even if you think it's a good idea to pump MY tax money into this, do you REALLY think it's wise to pump the money into it when it would, IF successful, produce jobs IN ANOTHER COUNTRY?

Come on guys! Put on your thinking caps here. I thought we were needing jobs in THIS country.
The technology "exists" but it isn't viable in the market yet so the $$$ isn't coming in. The challenge is to develop the technology and the production of such so that the cost of ownership is attainable by the average homeowner. Venture capitalists take on a lot of that burden though

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