Adversarial system. It's not an attorney's job (unless a prosecutor) to give the government mad oral pleasure. Plus the whole freedom of speech thing.

PS - the police are part of the executive branch, not judicial.

I didn't say "judicial," I said "justice." The police, I'm sure you will agree, are part of the justice system.

It definitely is an adversarial system, but the adversarial part should remain in the courtroom. Outside of court, all participants - lawyers, judges, police, etc. - should do their best to promote good will toward the system. The system deserves respect, IMHO.

And what does freedom of speech have to do with it? Nobody suggested that he is prohibited from saying that the police "usually" lie. I just exercised my right to say that I disagree with his choice of words.

Any system that keeps 1% of its population in prison deserves a pimp-slap to its thick, backward skull. We're doing something wrong, and anyone who's a cog in the system shares some of the blame.

And "just doing my job" isn't an excuse, at least not since 1945.

Amen to that. The rate at which we imprison black males would embarrass Stalin. It is fricking insane.

Here's the book to read on that subject: "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice" by William Stuntz. Fantastic book.

While I agree with you on that point, describing police as "usually" dishonest doesn't help. Police dishonesty is an issue that has always been there and always will be, but it doesn't explain why we have such a punitive, ineffective, and expensive system of criminal justice.

In some areas (not all of the US), this may be the case. Walk a mile in another man's shoes...

I don't follow your remark about walking a mile in another man's shoes. I feel as if I am missing something here.

Grow up poor and in the wrong area, and it may well seem that every cop is out to get you locked up, justifiably or not.

I don't doubt it.

speaking of 'out to get somebody'.......

Dershowitz: Testilying, December 1, 1998

Uncle Joe wouldn't have housed that many prisoners; it was too expensive. He'd just have them all shot.

Hopefully we are a bit better than that.

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Actually, the USSR didn't have the death penalty for a long time under Stalin. People were just sent to concentration camps to be worked to death or shot while trying to escape.

A distinction without a difference--at least to the one shot.

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Gents,

Be advised that the courts have upheld the fact that during an interrogation, police may use psychological intimidation, sarcasm, lying and trickery to get information from any DETAINEE, whether they have been charged with something or not.

The same is true with the US DoD Rules of Engagement and the Geneva Convention of 1949.

So, this means the police may lie at will with no impact on the case, if it serves their ends.

You only need identify yourself by producing ID documents. That is a requirement. Anything else is voluntary.

If the cop decides to intimidate you, say nothing and look at him. If he is friendly, be friendly but limit data.

" I don't know" is an acceptable answer until your lawyer gets there. Silence and "I want my lawyer" is better.

I say this because I see too many municipalities doing things to collect money, not for public safety.

I have seen a Virginia county/municipality (?) that decided to lower the DUI blood count from 0.08 to 0.01!

Since it wasn't a "dry" county and they didn't advertise it, it didn't make the news.

Until suddenly a whole bunch of people who had half a beer got stopped at a "routine" traffic checkpoint and were charged with DUI.

They made the fatal mistake of charging some senior Administration Officials who are part of a program which requires reporting oif such things.

Needless to say, the White House called the Governor, the Governor called the county...well, you get the idea. $hit rolls downhill.

I know this to be a fact because I sat in one one of the hearings about a year ago.

This is trolling for cash, not justice. It needs to be called what it is.

Then the entire country needs to boycott this area until the the people who set this up are fired or removed from office.

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