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Air&Road · #**196** 09-13-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Back on topic...

Apparently the US Ambassador to Egypt clipped the balls off of the Marines charged with protecting US interests...

http://freebeacon.com/reports-marines-not-permitted-live-ammo/

As I have always understood it, the host country has the responsibility to protect the embassy's of foreign countries. I guess these countries are falling a bit short in this area.

jplinville · #**197** 09-13-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Don't lose any sleep over it JP. This has been his attitude for years. He's harmless. The only way I see his posts is when someone else quotes it.

LOL Nothing on the internet causes me loss of sleep. If I get stressed, I close the screen and pick up a book.

I'm glad to hear that you have him on ignore...if only he would do the same to you, the site would be better.

flainn · #**198** 09-13-2012, 03:17 PM

Wait ... Curtis LeMay? We could be talking about either WWII (he was responsible for the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities) or post-WWII (he was the head of SAC). Which is it?

He himself said that had the US lost WWII, he would have been prosecuted as a war criminal.

That said, I think he was a good guy to have on our side.

Air&Road · #**199** 09-13-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flainn

Wait ... Curtis LeMay? We could be talking about either WWII (he was responsible for the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden) or post-WWII (he was the head of SAC). Which is it?

He himself said that had the US lost WWII, he would have been prosecuted as a war criminal.

That said, I think he was a good guy to have on our side.

Yeah, that's the way I look at it. If we had lost, I assume he was talking about Enola Gay's mission would have made him a war criminal. Of course the firebombing of Japan probably was worse and he gave the order for those missions and much more.

Chuck Yeager said in his book, that during a portion of the war, each fighter pilot was assigned a sector and told to strafe anything that moved in that sector. He said that he and several of his buddies said to each other privately something like: "if we're going to do this kind of stuff, we darn sure better win the war." War is hell and there's nothing fair about it.

Whether it was WWII or SAC, I think LeMay was plenty hard nosed enough to be of use today. Problem is, the General of the Air Force follows commands from the Commander in Chief. The one we have now, doesn't have the balls to turn him loose.

flainn · #**200** 09-13-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yeah, that's the way I look at it. If we had lost, I assume he was talking about Enola Gay's mission would have made him a war criminal. Of course the firebombing of Japan probably was worse and he gave the order for those missions and much more.

LeMay was talking about the firebombing of Tokyo, which was much more destructive than the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Modern estimates are that the firebombing of Tokyo resulted in the death of 500,000 Japanese civilians and the displacement of five million (Hiroshima and Nagasaki resulted in, high-estimate, 240,000 immediate deaths).

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LeMay commanded subsequent B-29 Superfortress combat operations against Japan, including massive incendiary attacks on 64 Japanese cities. This included the fire-bombing of Tokyo on March 9–10, 1945, the most destructive bombing raid of the war.[8] For this first attack, LeMay ordered the defensive guns removed from 325 B-29s, loaded each plane with Model E-46 incendiary clusters, magnesium bombs, white phosphorus bombs, and napalm, and ordered the bombers to fly in streams at 5,000 to 9,000 feet over Tokyo.

Air&Road · #**201** 09-13-2012, 03:33 PM

There was a very good series of episodes on the Military Channel about the B29, Tibbets, LeMay and the atomic bomb missions. At the time of the filming only the navigator, Dutch Van Kirk was still alive. He is very articulate in his explanations and he did indeed point out that many more people were killed by the fire bombing, but he did not think that fire bombing alone would have stopped the war. He was of the opinion that the spectacle of the atomic bombs is what finally caused them to surrender.

t walgamuth · #**202** 09-13-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yeah, that's the way I look at it. If we had lost, I assume he was talking about Enola Gay's mission would have made him a war criminal. Of course the firebombing of Japan probably was worse and he gave the order for those missions and much more.

Chuck Yeager said in his book, that during a portion of the war, each fighter pilot was assigned a sector and told to strafe anything that moved in that sector. He said that he and several of his buddies said to each other privately something like: "if we're going to do this kind of stuff, we darn sure better win the war." War is hell and there's nothing fair about it.

Whether it was WWII or SAC, I think LeMay was plenty hard nosed enough to be of use today. Problem is, the General of the Air Force follows commands from the Commander in Chief. The one we have now, doesn't have the balls to turn him loose.

Pish. It takes just as much courage to hold back when aroused to be sure of doing the right thing.

I read in the paper this morning that it is the marines job to protect the embassy personell. All non guard personell had been evacuated I believe. What good is it to kill a couple of hundred wall scaling flag stealing demonstrators when there are thousands more to keep coming until the embassy was overrun and our marines killed?

Air&Road · #**203** 09-13-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

LOL Nothing on the internet causes me loss of sleep. If I get stressed, I close the screen and pick up a book.

I'm glad to hear that you have him on ignore...if only he would do the same to you, the site would be better.

He will never put me on ignore. He enjoys beating up on me too much to do that. Even if I don't read hardly any of his attacks, he still gets a thrill writing them.

Give him a break and let him have his fun. Some people need tension in their lives.

Txjake · #**204** 09-13-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Because that worked so well in the past.

we can try harder this time....

Txjake · #**205** 09-13-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flainn

Like I said, they were effectively told by Anne Patterson, the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, to stand down. And I still bet those Marines are pissed.

And even better, she wasn't even there putting her life on the line while she tied the hands of those who were supposed to protect the embassy.

that ***** needs to be relieved of her post NOW.......

Air&Road · #**206** 09-13-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Pish. It takes just as much courage to hold back when aroused to be sure of doing the right thing.

I read in the paper this morning that it is the marines job to protect the embassy personell. All non guard personell had been evacuated I believe. What good is it to kill a couple of hundred wall scaling flag stealing demonstrators when there are thousands more to keep coming until the embassy was overrun and our marines killed?

Doing the right thing is taking out the sorry bastards that kills an innocent ambassador and taking out as many as possible.

That's not the way a marine is taught to think. If they are turned loose to do what they are supposed to do, when they are being over run, their mission changes to taking out as many of the bastards as possible before they're killed themselves.

All through history there have been US Marines in those situations.

Thanks for correcting me on the responsibility of the embassy security. It seems as if I read what I stated a long time ago, but I could easily be mistaken.

flainn · #**207** 09-13-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I read in the paper this morning that it is the marines job to protect the embassy personell.

From what I've read, protecting embassy personnel is the tertiary objective. Primary and secondary are classified material and embassy property, respectively.

davidmash · #**208** 09-13-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Don't lose any sleep over it JP. This has been his attitude for years. He's harmless. The only way I see his posts is when someone else quotes it.

And yet you still take the cowardly way out to respond to my post.

jplinville · #**209** 09-13-2012, 05:32 PM

He has you on ignore...you're making yourself look like the village idiot by talking to the brick wall, in hopes that it will respond.

MS Fowler · #**210** 09-13-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

What good does blame do? You can blame who ever you want but we have no way of holding anyone responsible. They are in sovereign nations. The guy who made the movie is a US citizen. I have never argued that he did not have the right to make the movie.

What I am questioning is what responsibility does he have for his actions? When people die as a possible result of your actions is there any responsibility? Blaming people who we cannot hold responsible does nothing.

I am glad you clarified. I now understand your point, but have no easy answer. What "court" would have jurisdiction to hold him responsible? No harm was done within the US; Libyan Courts, or Egyptian Courts have no authority here. he falls in the cracks--unless the Muslims put out a faquah (sp?) and execute him on US soil.

I assume your backing of the neo-nazis was a principled stand for their freedom of speech and lawful assembly--not because you actually supported the cause.