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dynalow · #**211** 09-13-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flainn

Wait ... Curtis LeMay? We could be talking about either WWII (he was responsible for the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities) or post-WWII (he was the head of SAC). Which is it?

He himself said that had the US lost WWII, he would have been prosecuted as a war criminal.

That said, I think he was a good guy to have on our side.

I believe the remarks TXJake posted of LeMay's refer to the Vietnam War. He was USAF COS before his retirement in 1965.

LeMay advocated a sustained strategic bombing campaign against North Vietnamese cities, harbors, ports, shipping, and other strategic targets. His advice was ignored. Instead, an incremental policy was implemented that focused on limited interdiction bombing of fluid enemy supply corridors in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. This limited campaign failed to destroy significant quantities of enemy war supplies or diminish enemy ambitions. Bombing limitations were imposed by President Lyndon Johnson for geopolitical reasons, as he surmised that bombing Soviet and Chinese ships in port and killing Soviet advisers would bring the Soviets more directly into the war and destabilize the European Cold War.[citation needed]

Evidence of LeMay's thinking is that, in his 1965 autobiography (co-written with MacKinlay Kantor) LeMay is quoted as saying his response to North Vietnam would be to demand that "they’ve got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression, or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces".
Curtis LeMay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bombs Away with Curtis LeMay....

aklim · #**212** 09-13-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

One of the important results of these acts is that now the world is starting to recognize that either there are orders of magnitude more "radical" Muslims out there or orders of magnitude more "non radical" Muslims who espouse violence. It's not a small number and it's not in a few places- it's everywhere that Islam is.

What's the difference? As I have always said, the terrorist isn't just the one with the AK47 or the bomb vest.

aklim · #**213** 09-13-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

What good is it to kill a couple of hundred wall scaling flag stealing demonstrators when there are thousands more to keep coming until the embassy was overrun and our marines killed?

Would you be implying that they have made it easier and open the gates and lay on the ground then?

elchivito · #**214** 09-13-2012, 06:14 PM

The maker of the offending film has apparently been identified. A Coptic Christian, aided by some other christian-right types.

My Way News - APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker

t walgamuth · #**215** 09-13-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Would you be implying that they have made it easier and open the gates and lay on the ground then?

no.

Benz Fan · #**216** 09-13-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

The maker of the offending film has apparently been identified. A Coptic Christian, aided by some other christian-right types.

My Way News - APNewsBreak: US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker

He better get an unlisted phone number. And an armored car.

aklim · #**217** 09-13-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

no.

Well, you can't tell what their intentions are and if they get too close, well..... Unfortunately, they didn't list their intentions at the beginning and simply letting them get away with "such a small thing" makes them bolder and bolder. At this point, they KNOW, not think, KNOW that they can do what they want with little fear of what will happen next. So, you are either going to have to head it off or lay down and surrender and make it easier on everyone.

engatwork · #**218** 09-13-2012, 07:13 PM

It is not hard to understand why the Colonel was so hard on his citizens. He realized that that was what it took to keep em in control

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davidmash · #**219** 09-13-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I am glad you clarified. I now understand your point, but have no easy answer. What "court" would have jurisdiction to hold him responsible? No harm was done within the US; Libyan Courts, or Egyptian Courts have no authority here. he falls in the cracks--unless the Muslims put out a faquah (sp?) and execute him on US soil.

I assume your backing of the neo-nazis was a principled stand for their freedom of speech and lawful assembly--not because you actually supported the cause.

I was not so much thinking.of legal responsibility as he did nothing illegal. I legally have the right to walk up to you and insult your mother, your sister and.anyone else near and.dear to you. Legally the only thing you can do.is yell back or walk away. In reality there would be a good possibility that I could push the right button and you will beat the cap.out of me or worse. Just because I have the right to do something does not mean I should. The video is being used as an excuse to take out aggression on US citizens. Was the legal exercise of free speech worth the cost? The view of the extremist will not change. what's the purpose of the movie other than to piss people off?

Yes is was based on principle. My family survived the holocaust so I would never support the neo Nazi cause.

BAVBMW · #**220** 09-13-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I legally have the right to walk up to you and insult your mother, your sister and.anyone else near and.dear to you. Legally the only thing you can do.is yell back or walk away. In reality there would be a good possibility that I could push the right button and you will beat the cap.out of me or worse.

Be careful there. There are very specific laws regarding "fighting words" and how they should be handled. And dozens of variances from location to location. Not that it really applies to this matter, just in general.

MV

MS Fowler · #**221** 09-13-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I was not so much thinking.of legal responsibility as he did nothing illegal. I legally have the right to walk up to you and insult your mother, your sister and.anyone else near and.dear to you. Legally the only thing you can do.is yell back or walk away. In reality there would be a good possibility that I could push the right button and you will beat the cap.out of me or worse. Just because I have the right to do something does not mean I should. The video is being used as an excuse to take out aggression on US citizens. Was the legal exercise of free speech worth the cost? The view of the extremist will not change. what's the purpose of the movie other than to piss people off?

Yes is was based on principle. My family survived the holocaust so I would never support the neo Nazi cause.

I thought you had mentioned that before.

jplinville · #**222** 09-13-2012, 08:36 PM

Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

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According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

They had credible intel saying that this was going to happen, yet nothing was done to prevent the senseless deaths.

Air&Road · #**223** 09-13-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dynalow

I believe the remarks TXJake posted of LeMay's refer to the Vietnam War. He was USAF COS before his retirement in 1965.

LeMay advocated a sustained strategic bombing campaign against North Vietnamese cities, harbors, ports, shipping, and other strategic targets. His advice was ignored. Instead, an incremental policy was implemented that focused on limited interdiction bombing of fluid enemy supply corridors in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. This limited campaign failed to destroy significant quantities of enemy war supplies or diminish enemy ambitions. Bombing limitations were imposed by President Lyndon Johnson for geopolitical reasons, as he surmised that bombing Soviet and Chinese ships in port and killing Soviet advisers would bring the Soviets more directly into the war and destabilize the European Cold War.[citation needed]

Evidence of LeMay's thinking is that, in his 1965 autobiography (co-written with MacKinlay Kantor) LeMay is quoted as saying his response to North Vietnam would be to demand that "they’ve got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression, or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces".
Curtis LeMay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bombs Away with Curtis LeMay....

Shows what happens when liberal politicians with zero military experience try to be military experts. When they are so arrogant that they refuse to listen to their military professionals, things don't usually go very well.

History is strewn with such failures. Hitler that that HE was a military expert too, and it didn't work out very well for him, thank goodness. If he had let his generals make the calls, the outcome of that war might have been catastrophic for the world.

Botnst · #**224** 09-13-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Fan

He better get an unlisted phone number. And an armored car.

Yeah. That freedom of speech thing isn't for pussies.

Botnst · #**225** 09-13-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Shows what happens when liberal politicians with zero military experience try to be military experts. When they are so arrogant that they refuse to listen to their military professionals, things don't usually go very well.

History is strewn with such failures. Hitler that that HE was a military expert too, and it didn't work out very well for him, thank goodness. If he had let his generals make the calls, the outcome of that war might have been catastrophic for the world.

Johnson had military experience. As a member of the house he was commissioned as a lcdr, IIRC. He was in an airplane when an escorting fighter was shot at when it flew near an island and got a Bronze Star for his intrepidity.