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JB3 · #61 09-12-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm surprised at you Aklim. I don't remember you EVER putting words in anyones mouth before. I don't believe for one second that B.O. started this. I DO, however, believe that it is EXACTLY the diversion that will work in his favor.

I've been saying all along, that anything to divert the attention from the economy is B.O.'s friend. Doesn't matter whether he creates it, or is lucky enough for it to happen.

Im surprised at you larry, you should be jumping with glee. This is exactly the type of situation that can't be responded too fast enough and can place Obama in an extremely negative light.

Yet all you can do is go back to your "miserable economic policies" BS. you sound like a broken record.

This is an international crisis coming right before the election that nothing he could do will have any effect until after the election anyway.

David Wilson · #62 09-12-2012, 10:46 AM

I do believe there is a chit storm coming before the elections with this and the Israel thing getting ready to happen.

Israel can't wait, and they know Barry will not support them after the elections.

Better look at your investments, and put them somewhere safe.

JB3 · #63 09-12-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

WRONG: the fault lies solely at the feet of a medevial "religion" that calls for violence & hatred. Islam as defined by these zealots is the problem. While I don't agree with Pastor Jones's theology, he is well withing his rights as an American to express his free speech. The hate mongers and zealots in islam that perpetrate this violence are the problem and the sooner we realize this and wipre them from the face of the earth the better. Until then we will have no peace.

We agree on all of this, apart from the modern crusade you want to get to.

I personally have no problems with the teachings of Islam, what I have a problem with is extremists from any religion, and Terry Jones is an extremist preaching a policy of hate and violence. He is no better than any Islamic extremist, they are all twisting the meaning of their religions.

JB3 · #64 09-12-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Irellivent. The reason these screwups are allowed to get away with this kind of thing is because they are non-white. Apart from a few weak minded individuals in degenerate western societies who find it necessary to "embrace Islam" to fill some hole in their psyche's Islam is an almost exclusively non-western non-white cult. Consequently the west drowning in political correctness allows this kind of crap to go on unpunished.

Regarding the murder of the US ambassador and his staff, this is hardly surprising given the kind of islamonutjobs who emerged from the wood work after the "arab spring". Making excuses for these clowns is pathetic. They do not have the right not to be insulted and they need to be hounded down and exterminated to a man.

I have to say I wonder what the hell the Marines were doing while all this was going on. We do still have marines as embassy security do we not?

- Peter.

Id call it respecting freedom of religion honestly. I see no reason to chip away at the American ideals of freedom and personal liberty just because i'm sick of religious extremists playing to the personal prejudices of the mob.

What you indirectly advocate, is surpression of religions you find distasteful, and perhaps the color of skin as well?

The day we allow that, is the day we throw the bill of rights in the trash, and we are no better than any of the despotic "non-white" Islamic countries you despise.

t walgamuth · #65 09-12-2012, 11:03 AM

I talked at length this morning with my son about this situation. He declared himself an isolationist. He says there is no good to come from intervening militarily abroad, but agrees with me we need to be the strongest militarily.

We agreed that this in no way will be a plus for Barak Obama....unless it can be shown it was assisted by Right wingers from the US.

His response will be watched carefully but this could easily be a game changer politically.

Air&Road · #66 09-12-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I talked at length this morning with my son about this situation. He declared himself an isolationist. He says there is no good to come from intervening militarily abroad, but agrees with me we need to be the strongest militarily.

We agreed that this in no way will be a plus for Barak Obama....unless it can be shown it was assisted by Right wingers from the US.

His response will be watched carefully but this could easily be a game changer politically.

I agree totally with your first paragraph, but this could EASILY play into B.O.'s hands as I've repeatedly explained in this thread. This is EXACTLY what he and the media have been looking for.

One of the things that will be VERY interesting to watch, will be how long it takes for B.O. and his team to formulate a response. They will beat this to death before saying anything. They will have thought it through from every angle that could possibly have to do with the election. Their response will be tailored to position them for the election and NOT created for the betterment of America in this situation. As I've said repeatedly on this forum, politicians NUMBER ONE priority is getting re-elected. The good of the country and the people in it are secondary and expendable.

Don't get me wrong, the response will probably be in a matter of hours, but it will be after a VERY comprehensive meeting.

Benz Fan · #67 09-12-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Seriously,
This situation is bone-chillingly similar to events during the Carter administration. Rioters took US embassy personnel hostage and held them. and held them. That event may have had some impact on the election of Reagan. The hostages were released as he was being sworn in.

Are you really going to try to draw a parallel between a one-day flare-up at an embassy, versus a 444-day long hostage crisis clearly conducted in cooperation with the then-current Iranian government? Do you have strong evidence of Libyan government complicity in yesterday's events?

Benz Fan · #68 09-12-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I agree totally with your first paragraph, but this could EASILY play into B.O.'s hands as I've repeatedly explained in this thread. This is EXACTLY what he and the media have been looking for.

One of the things that will be VERY interesting to watch, will be how long it takes for B.O. and his team to formulate a response. They will beat this to death before saying anything. They will have thought it through from every angle that could possibly have to do with the election. Their response will be tailored to position them for the election and NOT created for the betterment of America in this situation. As I've said repeatedly on this forum, politicians NUMBER ONE priority is getting re-elected. The good of the country and the people in it are secondary and expendable.

Don't get me wrong, the response will probably be in a matter of hours, but it will be after a VERY comprehensive meeting.

A comprehensive meeting? How awful. Perhaps Obama should just shoot from the hip, like your God George Bush would have done.

rs899 · #69 09-12-2012, 11:21 AM

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I agree totally with your first paragraph, but this could EASILY play into B.O.'s hands

I'm not seeing the "easily" part of this, unless Willard says something incredibly stooopid about it. It does take the spotlight away from the economy, sure, but unless BO has some slam-dunk winner, he's going to bring up ghosts of Jimmy Carter.

JB3 · #70 09-12-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I agree totally with your first paragraph, but this could EASILY play into B.O.'s hands as I've repeatedly explained in this thread. This is EXACTLY what he and the media have been looking for.

One of the things that will be VERY interesting to watch, will be how long it takes for B.O. and his team to formulate a response. They will beat this to death before saying anything. They will have thought it through from every angle that could possibly have to do with the election. Their response will be tailored to position them for the election and NOT created for the betterment of America in this situation. As I've said repeatedly on this forum, politicians NUMBER ONE priority is getting re-elected. The good of the country and the people in it are secondary and expendable.

Don't get me wrong, the response will probably be in a matter of hours, but it will be after a VERY comprehensive meeting.

so you would prefer a response in 3 weeks he made up while picking his nose in the bathroom?

A prompt, but well thought out response is something I would expect from any president, regardless of affiliation.

Dudesky · #71 09-12-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

UPDATED: Mob sets fire to US consulate in Benghazi: witness - International - World - Ahram Online

What film are they talking about??

Here's what has inflamed the hearts of our friends:

The Coptic abroad insulting the prophet in doing Movie Trailer.avi - YouTube

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The movie is so bad, on every level — bad script, bad acting, ludicrous set design, weird overdubbed audio, laughable special effects — that it would barely get a passing grade in a high school video production class. But apparently it was on par with professional Egyptian productions, because when a 14-minute trailer appeared on YouTube, Egyptian media and Egyptian fundamentalist imams seized on it, made a dubbed Arabic version, and whipped up the Muslim populace by showing the clip over and over. The entire nation of Egypt took it very seriously.
Here’s the original English version — imagine taking this as a legitimate and serious threat to your existence:

The PJ Tatler » The Second 9/11: Today will go down in infamy as the day our government became our enemy

Can't Know · #72 09-12-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Horse5h1t. We want the oil.

100% correct. If there wasn't oil in the ME, no one would give two craps about it.

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Muslims get so incensed about a book, picture or cartoon that takes a shot at a dead prophet. Many years ago some goober dropped a crucifix in a beaker of piss and called it art. Care to imagine the response if he'd done that with any religious artifact related to Islam?

Dudesky · #73 09-12-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

We agree on all of this, apart from the modern crusade you want to get to.

I personally have no problems with the teachings of Islam, what I have a problem with is extremists from any religion, and Terry Jones is an extremist preaching a policy of hate and violence. He is no better than any Islamic extremist, they are all twisting the meaning of their religions.

The problem is if you begin to understand Islam, there are more extremists than what you realize.

JB3 · #74 09-12-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Here's what has inflamed the hearts of our friends:

The Coptic abroad insulting the prophet in doing Movie Trailer.avi - YouTube

The PJ Tatler » The Second 9/11: Today will go down in infamy as the day our government became our enemy

amazing right?

I can't believe that people are dead over this. Id like to see a word for word version of the Egyptian dubbing, to know exactly what these people were seeing, but even still, its as if the state of Utah seceded from the Union because of the South Park Mormon episode.

This reminds me of when Saddam told US troops to return home to Bart Simpson, without the slightest idea it was a cartoon comedy character. Remember that?

aklim · #75 09-12-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm surprised at you Aklim. I don't remember you EVER putting words in anyones mouth before. I don't believe for one second that B.O. started this. I DO, however, believe that it is EXACTLY the diversion that will work in his favor.

I've been saying all along, that anything to divert the attention from the economy is B.O.'s friend. Doesn't matter whether he creates it, or is lucky enough for it to happen.

I guess I am trying to see why BO was brought up in this thread. It has little to do with him and everything to do with what the so called "Moderate Muslims" do.