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aklim · #46 09-12-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

This is EXACTLY what B.O. has been hoping for. It will be the diversion of all diversions that will ABSOLUTELY DENY ANY discussion of his failed economic policies.

Hang onto your wallets and get ready for four more years.

Next you are going to say BO created this. Give me a break. This has little to do with Obama. Besides, WGAS what BO has to say about it? I'd rather take a cue from the rest of the peace loving muslims and see what they say about this sort of behavior since we have been told that they are not like these radicals. This is their chance to show up and be counted one way or the other. We are often told that there are a few bad apples in the barrel like any other barrel. Lets see what the rest of the barrel does. BTW, I'm talking about other rank and file members of the faith not what is said by a few people who have been trained in politics.

JB3 · #47 09-12-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Why can't we hold the people responsible, responsible? Stop excusing the rioters and blaming the US or US citizens' actions.

we certainly can, Im not advocating not holding them responsible, however, im advocating thinking things through before we act.

Part of that is understanding how this happened, not just yelling we need to bomb the crap out of them and send in the troops.

This happened because of idiotic hate mongering everywhere, and flying off the handle doesn't solve the situation, but what it DOES do, its reinforce the agressor power image of the US that is held in large parts of the world.

My general point in a misunderstanding becomes an act of violence, becomes a escalation, becomes a further escalation, ect ect. Pretty soon we have armies on the ground and bombs in the air. Look at the assassination of Franz Ferdinand for an example.

The guilty parties need to be hunted down by Libyan authorities and punished accordingly for the murder of our Ambassador, any help from us that they are getting should stop until this is done.

rs899 · #48 09-12-2012, 10:13 AM

I think this development has put BO in a very tough spot. I think there is, in reality, very little he/we can do in the short term. WHO are we gonna bomb, exactly? Who are we gonna invade?

I can't imagine any kind of effective response, short of murder. Yet he will be judged as being weak.

JB3 · #49 09-12-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Next you are going to say BO created this. Give me a break. This has little to do with Obama. Besides, WGAS what BO has to say about it? I'd rather take a cue from the rest of the peace loving muslims and see what they say about this sort of behavior since we have been told that they are not like these radicals. This is their chance to show up and be counted one way or the other. We are often told that there are a few bad apples in the barrel like any other barrel. Lets see what the rest of the barrel does. BTW, I'm talking about other rank and file members of the faith not what is said by a few people who have been trained in politics.

Despite Larry's usual ridiculousness, I actually couldn't think of a worse situation for Obama personally.

Whatever he does, hes damned if you do, damned if you don't. Any response will be too little for one side, and too much for the other.

Meanwhile, Romney will be able to say everything hes doing is wrong, and emphasize how he would correctly handle the situation without the pressure of actually having to handle the situation. Great position for him to be in.

JB3 · #50 09-12-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rs899

I think this development has put BO in a very tough spot. I think there is, in reality, very little he/we can do in the short term. WHO are we gonna bomb, exactly? Who are we gonna invade?

I can't imagine any kind of effective response, short of murder. Yet he will be judged as being weak.

x2

Obama's 2nd term may actually lay in the hands of Libyan authorities at this moment, and how fast they can catch the murderers

flainn · #51 09-12-2012, 10:20 AM

This is the September Surprise. I don't think Karl Rove could have done any better.

rs899 · #52 09-12-2012, 10:24 AM

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Romney will be able to say everything hes doing is wrong, and emphasize how he would correctly handle the situation without the pressure of actually having to handle the situation. Great position for him to be in.

Except that I would say Romney will be able to say that if we had a stronger military as he favors, we wouldn't be in this situation. He won't need to offer any plausible ideas to do anything specifically.

Air&Road · #53 09-12-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by flainn

This is the September Surprise. I don't think Karl Rove could have done any better.

You mean Axelrod! This is the EXACT diversion that B.O. needs to skew the attention away from his miserably failed economic policies.

MS Fowler · #54 09-12-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

we certainly can, Im not advocating not holding them responsible, however, im advocating thinking things through before we act.

Part of that is understanding how this happened, not just yelling we need to bomb the crap out of them and send in the troops.

This happened because of idiotic hate mongering everywhere, and flying off the handle doesn't solve the situation, but what it DOES do, its reinforce the agressor power image of the US that is held in large parts of the world.

My general point in a misunderstanding becomes an act of violence, becomes a escalation, becomes a further escalation, ect ect. Pretty soon we have armies on the ground and bombs in the air. Look at the assassination of Franz Ferdinand for an example.

The guilty parties need to be hunted down by Libyan authorities and punished accordingly for the murder of our Ambassador, any help from us that they are getting should stop until this is done.

I always urge a cautious and thoughtful approach--in all areas of my life. Holding the proper parties responsible does not mean we act hastily--we deliberate and then with great care and thought bomb them back to the stone age---ha ha ha--just kidding.

Air&Road · #55 09-12-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Next you are going to say BO created this. Give me a break. This has little to do with Obama. Besides, WGAS what BO has to say about it? I'd rather take a cue from the rest of the peace loving muslims and see what they say about this sort of behavior since we have been told that they are not like these radicals. This is their chance to show up and be counted one way or the other. We are often told that there are a few bad apples in the barrel like any other barrel. Lets see what the rest of the barrel does. BTW, I'm talking about other rank and file members of the faith not what is said by a few people who have been trained in politics.

I'm surprised at you Aklim. I don't remember you EVER putting words in anyones mouth before. I don't believe for one second that B.O. started this. I DO, however, believe that it is EXACTLY the diversion that will work in his favor.

I've been saying all along, that anything to divert the attention from the economy is B.O.'s friend. Doesn't matter whether he creates it, or is lucky enough for it to happen.

MS Fowler · #56 09-12-2012, 10:32 AM

Seriously,
This situation is bone-chillingly similar to events during the Carter administration. Rioters took US embassy personnel hostage and held them. and held them. That event may have had some impact on the election of Reagan. The hostages were released as he was being sworn in.

Txjake · #57 09-12-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Please Larry.

It was exactly the fear and hate mongering nonsense of pastor Terry Jones, remember the guy, he burned the Koran? that created this situation

He promoted scenes from the film to build hate against muslims in the US, Egyptian and Libyan media got ahold of that, now we have enough rage that has ended up with the death of Americans.

Stop playing your silly diversions song, the damn thing has nothing to do with Obama, except in how he now deals with it.

This entire disaster is because of hate mongering by idiots in our own country. Its a huge, and now bloody misunderstanding. For example, in Egypt, all films must have state approval to be released, so the average Egyptian would assume that such a film, (of which they only saw enraging clips that were even dubbed, their media is no better than ours) has US government approval, as they do not have the tradition of freedom of speech. Im sure its similar if not worse for Libyans

In my opinion, the fault of this incident lies at Terry Jones and Egyptian/middle east Media's feet for his and their out of context hate mongering using a stupid obscure hate mongering film made by an Israeli American real estate developer in California. Now its blown out of proportion, and good people are dead.

WRONG: the fault lies solely at the feet of a medevial "religion" that calls for violence & hatred. Islam as defined by these zealots is the problem. While I don't agree with Pastor Jones's theology, he is well withing his rights as an American to express his free speech. The hate mongers and zealots in islam that perpetrate this violence are the problem and the sooner we realize this and wipre them from the face of the earth the better. Until then we will have no peace.

pj67coll · #58 09-12-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ara T.

Non-white? What do they put on their census info then? Brown? Tahini? Babaganoush?

hint: look at where the caucasus mountains are in relation to the middle east.

Irellivent. The reason these screwups are allowed to get away with this kind of thing is because they are non-white. Apart from a few weak minded individuals in degenerate western societies who find it necessary to "embrace Islam" to fill some hole in their psyche's Islam is an almost exclusively non-western non-white cult. Consequently the west drowning in political correctness allows this kind of crap to go on unpunished.

Regarding the murder of the US ambassador and his staff, this is hardly surprising given the kind of islamonutjobs who emerged from the wood work after the "arab spring". Making excuses for these clowns is pathetic. They do not have the right not to be insulted and they need to be hounded down and exterminated to a man.

I have to say I wonder what the hell the Marines were doing while all this was going on. We do still have marines as embassy security do we not?

- Peter.

flainn · #59 09-12-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Seriously,
This situation is bone-chillingly similar to events during the Carter administration. Rioters took US embassy personnel hostage and held them. and held them. That event may have had some impact on the election of Reagan. The hostages were released as he was being sworn in.

I'm sure it did have a significant impact on the election. Carter was seen as weak and bumbling, and the rescue attempt (sandstorm, helicopters breaking down) months before the election was still fresh enough in voters' minds. I'm not sure Carter would have been reelected even if the hostages had been released or successfully rescued, but this was probably one of the final nails in Carter's coffin, politically.