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aklim · #76 09-12-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

WRONG: the fault lies solely at the feet of a medevial "religion" that calls for violence & hatred. Islam as defined by these zealots is the problem. While I don't agree with Pastor Jones's theology, he is well withing his rights as an American to express his free speech. The hate mongers and zealots in islam that perpetrate this violence are the problem and the sooner we realize this and wipre them from the face of the earth the better. Until then we will have no peace.

I disagree. It has little to do with the zealots. Sure, they perpetrated the action but what religion doesn't have their own zealots? As said, judge the religion on what the moderates do or don't do since that is supposedly the bulk of the religion.

aklim · #77 09-12-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

This is an international crisis coming right before the election that nothing he could do will have any effect until after the election anyway.

Nothing he can do before, during or after the election that will have any effect on anything, IMO.

aklim · #78 09-12-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

what I have a problem with is extremists from any religion,

Then let the so called "Moderates" step forward and show us what they really think of their extremist friends.

gatorblue92 · #79 09-12-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

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Obama's 2nd term may actually lay in the hands of Libyan authorities at this moment, and how fast they can catch the murderers

You assume they are not the ones responsible for the attack.

flainn · #80 09-12-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorblue92

You assume they are not the ones responsible for the attack.

How would they benefit by attacking us? I thought that since Gaddafi's fall, we were providing some sort of aid. Not that we're likely to yank it, no matter how much we get spat upon.

aklim · #81 09-12-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flainn

How would they benefit by attacking us? I thought that since Gaddafi's fall, we were providing some sort of aid. Not that we're likely to yank it, no matter how much we get spat upon.

Who is "they"? "They" as in the Libyan Security is one group. "They", as in the individual is another story. "They" as in my company might have one agenda. "They" as in us workers might be a totally different issue.

flainn · #82 09-12-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Who is "they"? "They" as in the Libyan Security is one group. "They", as in the individual is another story. "They" as in my company might have one agenda. "They" as in us workers might be a totally different issue.

"They" as in the current Libyan government. Someone implied that it might be behind the attacks. I'm wondering what motivation Libya's government might have for such an action.

neumann · #83 09-12-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Fan

Are you really going to try to draw a parallel between a one-day flare-up at an embassy, versus a 444-day long hostage crisis clearly conducted in cooperation with the then-current Iranian government? Do you have strong evidence of Libyan government complicity in yesterday's events?

Back in 1979 they took hostages...today they just kill them. 1 day or 444 days. Seems like the process has escalated exponentially. Our repsonse should be swift, merciless and overwhelming. Too much falling over and trying to appease religious radicals and not enough big stick action. The ME population in general does not respect the West in the sense some folks are garnering for. They do respect the west for its overwhelming advantages of wealth, power and freedoms. They laugh and mock us and gather motivation and will to continue with events that unfolded yesterday because they can go on with vitual impunity with little risk of serious reprisal because of the West's fear to disturb the Islamic radicals. The riots will continue, more deaths will occur and this will spiral further out of control because of the PC fears. The moderates Muslims need to rise up now or be damned by their silence. The past 40 years will go down in history as a time of moderate Islamic failure to reign in their radicals and the world to bear witness to the resulting expense of blood and treasure that it will take to counter and rebalance the state of world affairs.

strelnik · #84 09-12-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by flainn

"They" as in the current Libyan government. Someone implied that it might be behind the attacks. I'm wondering what motivation Libya's government might have for such an action.

What government? Libya doesn't have a goivernment right now, it's like the US in 1788, no constitution, no elections, no president, no leader, just committees vying for power anr/or strutting their stuff.

If we are going to stay there, for God's sake protect our people.

Or leave until it can all get fixed, then build a permanent embassy, get it accredited and and protect our own.

or leave for good.

I'm so tired of mealy-mouthed bureaucratic weenies doing the "safe budget" thing and leaving people to hang out to dry.

Benz Fan · #85 09-12-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by neumann

Back in 1979 they took hostages...today they just kill them. 1 day or 444 days. Seems like the process has escalated exponentially. Our repsonse should be swift, merciless and overwhelming. Too much falling over and trying to appease religious radicals and not enough big stick action. The ME population in general does not respect the West in the sense some folks are garnering for. They do respect the west for its overwhelming advantages of wealth, power and freedoms. They laugh and mock us and gather motivation and will to continue with events that unfolded yesterday because they can go on with vitual impunity with little risk of serious reprisal because of the West's fear to disturb the Islamic radicals. The riots will continue, more deaths will occur and this will spiral further out of control because of the PC fears. The moderates Muslims need to rise up now or be damned by their silence. The past 40 years will go down in history as a time of moderate Islamic failure to reign in their radicals and the world to bear witness to the resulting expense of blood and treasure that it will take to counter and rebalance the state of world affairs.

Specifically, who should be killed? Have the killers been identified? Absent that, could you provide me the coordinates of the area that we should carpet bomb?

Try to remember that this isn't 1943. The bad guys aren't wearing military uniforms. Makes it tricky to figure out who they are.

dynalow · #86 09-12-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

What government? Libya doesn't have a goivernment right now, it's like the US in 1788, no constitution, no elections, no president, no leader, just committees vying for power anr/or strutting their stuff.

If we are going to stay there, for God's sake protect our people.

Or leave until it can all get fixed, then build a permanent embassy, get it accredited and and protect our own.

or leave for good.

I'm so tired of mealy-mouthed bureaucratic weenies doing the "safe budget" thing and leaving people to hang out to dry.

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I wonder if DOS & DOD have strategic planning underway for a Arab Sprung Muslim Brotherhood ring around the Eastern & Southern Med? If not, why not?
I'm certain it's on Israel's mind.

pj67coll · #87 09-12-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

What you indirectly advocate, is surpression of religions you find distasteful, and perhaps the color of skin as well?

The day we allow that, is the day we throw the bill of rights in the trash, and we are no better than any of the despotic "non-white" Islamic countries you despise.

I find all religions distasteful. They can believe whatever the hell they want to believe but when they figure their particular cult of bs give them the right to attack me, or representatives of me or western enlightenment values etc then I say to hell with them. They need to get their asses handed to them in no uncertain terms. This has nothing to do with curtailing American values as Islam is fundamentally antithetical to American Values. Where they have an advantage is precisely that as it's almost exclusively a non-white cult, apart from a few pathetics I referenced earlier they have the advantage of being able to play the race card and send all the politically correct westerners running for cover. To hell with that I says.

- Peter.

strelnik · #88 09-12-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Then let the so called "Moderates" step forward and show us what they really think of their extremist friends.

Most moderates either don't want to get involved, or they are involved in a "safe" way, like giving money that can't be traced to them.

Most moderates are cowards when it comes to talking about the extremists that they know.

Yes, I said it.

strelnik · #89 09-12-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I disagree. It has little to do with the zealots. Sure, they perpetrated the action but what religion doesn't have their own zealots? As said, judge the religion on what the moderates do or don't do since that is supposedly the bulk of the religion.

The other problem with the zealots vs. Pastor Jones, is: I don't think he's killed anybody or rioted. Demonstrated, yes.

There is a difference between demonstrating and rioting. If you don't know the difference, many law enforcement agencies will be happy to show you.

neumann · #90 09-12-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Fan

Specifically, who should be killed? Have the killers been identified? Absent that, could you provide me the coordinates of the area that we should carpet bomb?

Try to remember that this isn't 1943. The bad guys aren't wearing military uniforms. Makes it tricky to figure out who they are.

According to early reports they seems to be a leaning towards involvement of the group known as Ansar al-Sharia, others involved have been identified as local tribesmen, militia and other gunmen. There have been video postings of the attacks. All involved should be hunted down and dealt with just as if the attack was inside the United States. This is like dealing with an infant spoiled brat....keep giving in and appeasing and you wind up with a teenage spoiled brat that is much harder to deal with. We have the intel, we just need the will.

How would you deal with the situation?