Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Heroin and cocaine are illegal and use remains high.

DUI is illegal and remains a serious problem.

I know this isnt MotherJones but,

#3: Gun Control Has Reduced The Crime Rates In Other Countries - Gun Owners of America



And as far as the above post.

Population of the USA 314,948,954
Poulation of Canada 33,476,688

Your math is dishonest.

Originally Posted by barry12345

Security actions in society slowly are increasing anyways. I always will remember a policy of being more open by a government department heard at a meeting I attended one one day.

Shortly after the glass barriers went up between the public and employees of that dept that interacted with them. This then seemed to spread like wildfire.

I am not even sure if there was true justification or not. Perhaps the more rational component of society is less than it was or people are more extreme on average when upset. Hard to say. Are thinks really gettting that much worse out there? Or are a few random events just driving things.

Originally Posted by dropnosky

The reactive reactions to airport incidents at least insure that the same method can't be used again, which is a slight good news to the intense irriation of airline travel.

Originally Posted by davidmash

I think it is sad that force or the threat of force was required for you to behave.

My respect for my parents is what made me want to behave. I did not want to disappoint my mom or dad. I have done a few stupid things and the look on my parents faces is what stopped me from doing it ever again.

I do have to correct my previous statement. I pissed my mom off when I was very young, maybe 6 or 7 years old. I do not remember what I did but my mom hit or shoved me and I remember falling in a corner. The look in her eys scared the crap out of me. The look was not anger but fear. She was terrified of what she had done and that sacred me more. She apologized and so did I. That was the first and only time she ever laid a hand on me.

Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Then have police substations on the property. In addition to or in concert with my above ideas.


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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Military trained teachers, prison guard and entrance system, now police substations.

Next step is tattoos or microchips for every student, 3 times a day location checks, restrictions on movement and eventually thought.

All your solutions are steps towards the police state that your retention of firearms to supposedly designed to protect against.
What happened the the system of checks and balances that was our three branches of government? When did the 2nd amendment become that system of checks?

Originally Posted by davidmash

Great the kids are safe till they are (I forget are we doing this in elementary schools and high schools as well) There are roughly 99,000 public schools in the US. Who exactly is going to pay for that? I know, we can just cut all public programs and build school prisons.

Great idea sparky.


So now the kids are safe, what about the rest of us? Oh never mind. You have not offered a viable idea yet so why would one think that would change now.

Originally Posted by Txjake

I am sure that every teacher that died in CT Friday wished that they had a way to defend themselves....

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You and your kind are the exact cause of the over-reaction that the government has toward any specific violent incident. Apparently, ensuring that the specific violent incident cannot happen again is satisfactory for you.

This is despite the fact that there are hundreds of possible violent incidents that can occur, and for which the government has failed to address, because they have not happened yet.

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

However, there is a desire from many to see more responsible owners.
A desire for gun owners to admit that there is a problem with guns in this country.
A desire to see gun owners step up with ideas to keep the guns in the hands of the responsible people, and out of the hands of the nut cases.
A desire to hear something other than "ITS MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO OWN WHATEVER F**KING GUNS I WANT!!!!"

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

You want to know why we call people with guns when there is a problem?
Because every POS petty criminal in this country has a gun.
That's a problem.

Originally Posted by Txjake

Mexico City and other places have armed guards or police at schools

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I write this post to you specifically, because you're an individual who's fully capable of rational thought without holding a specific bias. The bias on this subject is legendary and those on the RWNJ portion of the spectrum cannot be swayed from their position where they are legally right to own whatever firearm they wish. Arguing with them is a total and complete waste of time and space as there is no possible intelligence that ever comes from them.

As you are certainly aware, when 19 DB's decided to take the lives of 3000 people on 9/11, they accomplished that task with a set of box cutters. Note that these instruments were not permitted on the aircraft at that time, however the scrutiny of such devices was not the best. The government response was to beef up security at the airport so no box cutters could possibly get by the screening checkpoint. This would be a typical reaction of the government.

The government, it the one tidbit of intelligence that it has, decided to reinforce the cockpit doors, figuring, rightly so, that you cannot hijack an airplane if you can't get into the cockpit.

The DB then decides, since box cutters and guns won't get through the checkpoint, to utilize a bomb in his shoe. This failed due to his stupidity but the government's reactive response is to search the shoes of every single passenger on every aircraft on every single day.

Be assured that the DB will not use a shoe bomb again.

The next thing that the DB will do is to use a shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile fired from the ground. This is very easily accomplished and an airliner is a sitting duck for such a weapon. The government's response will probably be to attempt to ban all shoulder fired weapons because they are reactive and they have to do something to placate the population.

It is not difficult to extend this argument to weapons that can be hand carried.

At the present time, in or around NY, it is effectively impossible to own a handgun and carry it outside of your home. This has not made the slightest dent in the gun deaths in NY. Most are caused by illegal handguns.

If I go with your argument to strongly regulate all handguns, the next DB shows up with a rifle (Whoops...........the current DB used a rifle). If you were to attempt to take away all rifles, the next DB shows up with a shotgun. In any case, the unarmed citizens are sitting ducks for a deranged DB who is hell bent on taking the lives of innocent people.

However, if you use the analogy of the airliner:

You cannot take out the aircraft if you cannot get into the cockpit.

I'm not sure what it would take to keep a concerted DB out of a public school. You have seen a perfectly sound system being thwarted by a gun that destroyed the locking capability of the door.

The only solution that I have is a twofold solution that would utilize the locking doors in conjunction with two heavily armed guards that stay in the building at all times.

Note, however, that you have only accomplished the safety of the children while inside the building. They still must arrive and depart from the building, and, as such, are still sitting ducks for a concerted DB with a rifle.

I do realize the emotional response that caused many on here to condemn the specific weapon. However, there is always another weapon that is different from the banned weapon, and/or there is always another method that is different from the current tragedy, and fully preventing another school tragedy inside the classroom will simply result in the DB using an easier target such as a shopping mall or a movie theater.

We have a society that is becoming more violent and random violence has become a fact of life in this country. Banning one or two tools used for that violence won't change that fact.