WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 27 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

MS Fowler · #**391** 12-17-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

The shooting was bad enough, but what I heard yesterday morning, makes for even MORE concern.

I saw an interview with a Lt Colonel who has spent much of his career teaching Psychology at West Point. I got the idea that part of his curriculum had to do with things like desensitization in combat and the stresses of combat and things such as that.

He was VERY passionate and what he had to say made me pray that he is wrong, but he seems like someone who knows what he's talking about. He said that due to the desensitization toward killing that is becoming more prevalant by video games and other forces in society, that what we saw at Sandy Hook and the other shootings in recent years is just the beginning and that this sort of thing will be accelerating dramatically.

We all need to hope that this guy is WRONG, but I'm afraid he might be right.

Very much along the lines that prompted my post a few pages back.
WE are the ones who buy those games for our kids. ( WE, meaning adults-not me personally, or likely you, personally) Those violent games have a tremendous market--they wouldn't make them if they didn't sell.
Is it time to take a serious look at the so-called entertainment industry, and the way they are desensitizing entire generations?
But its not just the entertainment industry. Our society sends many messages that life is cheap, and of little value. We accept hundreds of murders a year in major cities because it is only one drug lord killing off another drug lord, or dealer True, maybe, but it still sends the message that those lives are not important. We abort millions of babies--that also sends a message about the value of human life--we organize to save the whales, but kill the humans.
We are reaping what we, as a culture, has sown
Maybe the world SHOULD end this week!

dynalow · #**392** 12-17-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

The shooting was bad enough, but what I heard yesterday morning, makes for even MORE concern.

I saw an interview with a Lt Colonel who has spent much of his career teaching Psychology at West Point. I got the idea that part of his curriculum had to do with things like desensitization in combat and the stresses of combat and things such as that.

He was VERY passionate and what he had to say made me pray that he is wrong, but he seems like someone who knows what he's talking about. He said that due to the desensitization toward killing that is becoming more prevalant by video games and other forces in society, that what we saw at Sandy Hook and the other shootings in recent years is just the beginning and that this sort of thing will be accelerating dramatically.

We all need to hope that this guy is WRONG, but I'm afraid he might be right.

It wasn't David Grossman was it?

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If so, I'm a little surprised you never heard of him, being career Army.

I did a Marine Corps League "Toys for Tots" M/C run Saturday and I asked a lot of guys the same question:
"Can you give me one reason to have hope that the decline in civility in American society will be reversed?"
Not one response did I receive.

edit: I read On Killing some years ago. I believe he's updated it for the changes in civil society. He also penned: Of Sheep, Wolves and Sheep dogs.
http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

pj67coll · #**393** 12-17-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

He said that due to the desensitization toward killing that is becoming more prevalant by video games and other forces in society, that what we saw at Sandy Hook and the other shootings in recent years is just the beginning and that this sort of thing will be accelerating dramatically.

We all need to hope that this guy is WRONG, but I'm afraid he might be right.

I'm afraid I agree with him.

- Peter.

Txjake · #**394** 12-17-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

She and others... many others.... were killed by her weapons.

Irresponsible.

bull**** hyperbole

Txjake · #**395** 12-17-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Are you only concerned about the kids? What about everyone else? What about all the other places where people get killed?

well, David, since we are talking MOSTLY about the SCHOOL shooting, that is what I was focusing on...

gun free zones = defenseless targets and nuts know that.

raymr · #**396** 12-17-2012, 09:36 AM

There has to be a way to flag these individuals and pull them out of the mainstream BEFORE they cause harm. Then build some nice new facilities to house them and take advantage of all those psychology degrees that aren't being put to use.

On a different note, I can see in this case how he had easy access to firearms. But how do some of these guys, who are in their teens or early 20's, build up huge arsenals without anyone noticing? Anybody who buys a bullet proof vest should be on some kind of national register and be checked out once in a while.

Txjake · #**397** 12-17-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

It's not legal to concealed carry in a school in CO.

so? I'd rather be alive & unharmed than legal....

Brian Carlton · #**398** 12-17-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by raymr

There has to be a way to flag these individuals and pull them out of the mainstream BEFORE they cause harm. Then build some nice new facilities to house them and take advantage of all those psychology degrees that aren't being put to use.

It's a perfectly simple idea that absolutely cannot be implemented without the consent of a parent (presuming we're talking about a person under age 18). Whether said parent would go along with a permanent lockup is doubtful.

Furthermore, how long do you keep said person? There is a desire on the part of society to parole criminals after a period of time. Sooner or later, this person will be allowed to go free and the result can be tragic.

Finally, you'd need some significant programs implemented to create and house said individuals. Who's going to pay for that?

Plenty of simple ideas...........no real solutions.

raymr · #**399** 12-17-2012, 09:45 AM

A man recently killed his own son who he thought was breaking into his house. Imagine living with that?

Txjake · #**400** 12-17-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

I read the Asperger's thing too. Don't know if it is just speculation or not. Most asperger's people aren't violent to strangers are they? Why pick a school? Do video games portray school shootings?

if you are a gamer and crazy, then why not pick a place where you canshoot up targets without a chance of getting shot? Gun free zones have plenty of defenseless targets and when you finish up and realize what you have done, then you just kill yourself.

In other words, a mentally ill person, jaded by games where they kill without danger of being hurt, may seek out a place where they can actually live out that fantasy. Schools, in their sick minds, are perfect places for that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund#

pj67coll · #**401** 12-17-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

ul.
Furthermore, how long do you keep said person? There is a desire on the part of society to parole criminals after a period of time.

Only on the part of some in society.

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Sooner or later, this person will be allowed to go free and the result can be tragic.

Why? You're not talking about a theoretically rehabilitatable criminal, you're talking about a whack job. Why should they ever be allowed to wander around in society?

- Peter.

raymr · #**402** 12-17-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

It's a perfectly simple idea that absolutely cannot be implemented without the consent of a parent (presuming we're talking about a person under age 18). Whether said parent would go along with a permanent lockup is doubtful.

Furthermore, how long do you keep said person? There is a desire on the part of society to parole criminals after a period of time. Sooner or later, this person will be allowed to go free and the result can be tragic.

Finally, you'd need some significant programs implemented to create and house said individuals. Who's going to pay for that?

Plenty of simple ideas...........no real solutions.

It would involve increased parental awareness. Most won't comply or pay attention but maybe some will, and maybe enough to make a small difference.

For housing, make room by moving out the petty pot possession offenders.

There is no doubt that something has to be done. As the Pres says, we can't just sit and wait for the next massacre to happen. If you can't control guns, you have to control the sick individual.

Txjake · #**403** 12-17-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Ah..but in the countrys listed there are not numerous accounts of mentally ill/violent people coming inhinged-perpetrating these tragedies on society on a regular-consistant basis.

Seems to be an American problem for sure.

Aside from the scenerio in CT, the U.S. also has another problem yet to be faced.
Returning service men and women are committing more violent crimes now than any time in history, aside from the mental health problems of these people being at an all time high.

Just another pot simmering..waiting to boil over.

To not recognise that the U.S. has a high number of mentally ill people in the population, that is prone to serious violence, while feeling superior to the country's listed is nothing more than hiding behind your finger.

Take another look.

oh yeah, that's right, demonize veterans.... sounds like you have been drinking the kool aide....

Txjake · #**404** 12-17-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

In regards to the ppl that do these type things. They are probably bored out of their minds, then the parent put em in front of these violet video games (babysitter) all day and the only social skills they have come from Facebook if they have one and you get what we got

. On top of this when they complain about how depressed they are because there is nothing to do start giving them those pills that have those psychotic warnings on them and here you go. Paxil comes to mind.

lets outlaw violent video games....seriously. what purpose do they seve and can the makers prove that they do not influence the mentally ill and impressionable?

HuskyMan · #**405** 12-17-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

if you are a gamer and crazy, then why not pick a place where you canshoot up targets without a chance of getting shot? Gun free zones have plenty of defenseless targets and when you finish up and realize what you have done, then you just kill yourself.

In other words, a mentally ill person, jaded by games where they kill without danger of being hurt, may seek out a place where they can actually live out that fantasy. Schools, in their sick minds, are perfect places for that.

The Facts about Mass Shootings - John Fund - National Review Online

If we strip away pure emotion and get down to analytical logic the deal comes down to this: We cannot control A (nut jobs), however, we can control B (ourselves). If every teacher was armed and well trained in the use of deadly force, they would be in a position to stop the carnage at the point of invasion. Bolt bullet proof desks to the floors of each class room. Install a digital security lock on a desk drawer which houses a high capacity hand gun. Require that teachers attend firearms training monthly. Post the teacher's targets/shooting scores in the front entry of the school.

Why all this? Because it is true, a pussy will seek out a venue where they know no defense will be presented, i.e. a "gun free" zone. These pussies know that in a school, they will face very little opposition. Obviously, we are at war and there is an enemy that MUST be dealt with. Banning guns, limiting the amount of ammunition etc etc. are all band aids.

If these whacko psychotic nut jobs are looking to go out in a blaze of glory, give them what they want, only don't allow them take out innocents in the process.