WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 62 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Txjake · #**916** 12-19-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

It was a joke....so far.

I have already heard people talking about just that recently.....

Botnst · #**917** 12-19-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

the problem with that is loopholes.

Couple years ago, went up to a gun show with a known idiot friend of mine in VT. in 15 minutes, he walked out with two Russian Mosin-Nagants, one a carbine, both with bayonets.

He then brought them back to our state, which has pretty lax laws itself, but does have some time limits.

i ended up removing and keeping one of the bolts to prevent him from firing off one of the rifles in the middle of the city when a girl he was sweet on went for his cousin. He also was caught pointing it out the window of his 4th story apartment tracking people on the street to work out the sights.

I don't have a problem with this type of bolt action weapon, but i do have a problem with them being sold to idiots with no real checks on how they intend to store and use them.

We have to close loopholes like that if we intend to actually do any long term good, so the only solution is federal regulation, not state regulation. Id be happy with federal guidelines, and states fill them in, similar to vehicle regulations being generally similar in all states, but possessing differences tailored to the states in question

I know somebody who did something wonderful. Trust me.

Botnst · #**918** 12-19-2012, 02:12 PM

"Gun control proponents want legislation that will restrict access to firearms. The rationale for such legislation is to reduce accidental shootings and the criminal use of guns against people. But if harm reduction is the goal, policymakers should pause to consider how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun. Gun control proponents cannot deny that people use guns successfully against criminals, but they tend to play down how often such events take place. The purpose of this map is to draw more attention to this aspect of the firearms policy debate. "

Guns and Self Defense | Cato Institute

Txjake · #**919** 12-19-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Tom, sadly it's not. Buy tin-foil stock now!

"I believe our GOVERNMENT shot those kids and teachers and used Adam Lanza and his family to pull it off."

MK ULTRA rears it's head again....

engatwork · #**920** 12-19-2012, 02:25 PM

Or we could just do our southern neighbors. How is it working out down there?

Mexico

raymr · #**921** 12-19-2012, 02:29 PM

What's wrong with owners required to be within close proximity of their unlocked guns, ie, within eyesight or reaching distance? Otherwise lock em up.

cmac2012 · #**922** 12-19-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I wouldn't say I ignored your speculative suggestion. In my opinion the stats don't warrant even more governmental incursion into a constitutionally protected right. I understand that we probably wont agree on that.

Perhaps this is a great time to celebrate federalism, in which the states have the right to impose rules and regs that may differ from each other but fall within the broad parameters of constitutional review.

Ancestor worship. The founders saw the musket as serious deadly force. And it was, in spite of the skill and time needed for each round. An assault rifle with high capacity clip is something even a brain damaged, misfit pantywaist can use for mass slaughter. Not sure what sort of sci-fi the founders were into or if it speculated about weapons of this sort.

I do agree that the 'gun-free' zones don't accomplish anything and could make the problem worse. And if I were a principal at any school, I think I'd find the idea of a revolver or two in a highly secure, quickly accessible safe an attractive idea. Some principals probably wouldn't.

But something in our belief system that guns will keep us safe has gone round the bend. Stats show over and over that guns in the house prevent an armed intruder less frequently than they're used for suicide or the killing of one family member by another, and by a wide margin IINM.

Any solutions won't be easy but I suspect there are many people like Lanza's mother who are clueless and delusional about their arsenal and its availability to others.

The human mind is funny in a weak kind of way. I recall as a 16 year old new kid in town fantasizing about commandeering the tank at the local armory and venting my wrath on my uncaring community. None would dare stand in the way of my prowess. I have no doubt that other immature souls feel the same way when they hold this or that assault rifle and imagine dispatching their foes.

I didn't have access to the tank but plenty of angry young misfits today have access to some serious weaponry.

cmac2012 · #**923** 12-19-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You're exactly correct! The gun grabbers don't even have the decency to wait until after the funerals to start on this.

It's never the right time to bring it up with NRAers for life.

davidmash · #**924** 12-19-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You truly believe that you can get a law passed that states that my unregistered shotgun, if used in a crime, will send me to jail? Clearly you must be in another country............

That's my point. Don't bother passing a law if you cannot or will not have the stones to enforce it.

You expect me to lock it up when I'm not home and unlock it every time I return home? Seriously?

An unregistered gun could not be traced to you. Im only talking about unregistered weapons that can be traced. Now if hey find DNA evidence I have you in jail on that.

davidmash · #**925** 12-19-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

My home is your castle to decide how I should live in it.

You are more than welcome to leave your guns unsecure but when there involved in a crime where do my rights covenant play? All I am saying is that you will be held responsible for your guns. If your gun kills someone, you are responsible.

raymr · #**926** 12-19-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

An unregistered gun could not be traced to you. Im only talking about unregistered weapons that can be traced. Now if hey find DNA evidence I have you in jail on that.

An unregistered gun can also be traced if the arrested suspect fingers you as the source.

Benz Dr. · #**927** 12-19-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Murrell

Only if they were always available for every situation that calls for their skills. More often than not, they aren't and they are undermanned in many U. S. cities which is part of the availability issue.

I'm aware of that. However, it's probably people with guns who are creating the problems in the first place. The tail is wagging the dog here.....

Benz Dr. · #**928** 12-19-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative post.

Does Canada have mass shootings from time to time as we do?

No, it's realy quite rare. Anything that contains mutiple murders has usully been with long rifles or some description or another.

One of the main reasons we have far less gun crime here is simply because hand guns are restricted. You can own one but the basic belief is that it's not going to be used agaisnt anyone. With less hand guns available suddenly you have a far less gun mentality and far less gun deaths.

We still depend on the cops to sort stuff out for us if we feel threatened. You are allowed to use deadly force if needed but I rarely har of it. Yes, be have B&E's but most of the time no one is home. Your average thief isn't usually armed. I'm pretty sure that any gun crime will get you 5 years.

Almost none of the current population remembers when you could carry a hand gun around so it's simply not part of our every day life. Believe me, it's something you can get used to quite easily.

Benz Dr. · #**929** 12-19-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

If revolutions depended on weapons you would be right. Weapons don't cause or win or lose revolutions, people do.

Take for example .... any revolution in human history.

That's a pretty simplistic approach for a guy like you. Every revolution that involved weapons also included the use of them or the threat of using them.

So........ guns don't kill people, people kill people. I wonder how many times that sorry assed line of reasoning will be used?

Benz Dr. · #**930** 12-19-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Id say, look north, whats different about the Canadians and what they have done in relation to gun control with lesser violence, and what parts of that can we implement down here?

Yes, id love more restrictions on weapons. What exactly do you want?
From what I gather, you think any and all ideas are bad, and that nothing anyone does or says will have any effect, and that you still have your shotgun. Does that sum it up?
you say it won't work, why does it work elsewhere?

That hasnt been easily shown at all

There is no longer a registration here but you are still required to have a license to buy ammo. I have a POL ( posession only ) which allows me to own what I have but I can't buy more. Since the registraion is gone I think I will be able to buy privately but I would want to find out first.
A PAL is a license to buy a fire arm. You need a special restricted lisence to buy a hand gun or some restricted rifles. Full auto is banned.

When I go to buy shotgun shells they ask to see my paperwork. THey won't sell to me without it. I could buy it from someone so it's kind of limited that way. To get my license renewed they asked me all sorts of questions:
any criminal charges
changed jobs
been fired in last two years
taking any pills for depression
split up with wife or GF ( they have to sign the paper saying you're OK )
moved residence

Many other questions but all are designed to asess your risk factor. I got mine without problem but many people give up before they send it in because they know they won't qualify. The main difference being gun ownership is considered a privlegde here, not a 2nd A right.