WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Hatterasguy · #1 12-19-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

Saw an article today in the paper about how gun sales shot up after the killings. People are evidently afraid that their right to own an assault rifle will be taken away.

It still strikes me that we allow the sale of assault rifles. Hand guns, ok I understand the personal defense thing..

The sale of assault rifles is not in question here.

An assault rifle by definition is capable of fully automatic fire, which is a BATFE regulated class 3 NFA item. You can buy them but its a process to say the least.

What they are talking about are bayonet mounts and pistol grips, which CT already has in place because for the most part the AWB did not sunset here in 2004.

A semi automatic Bushmaster rifle like the one used in the shootings is AWB compliant and costs about $900. An M16 which is an assault rifle is an NFA item and costs about $12k-$16k. They look similar but in terms of regulation, cost, and function are in different worlds. The penalty for turning a Bushmaster into an NFA item which is hard as heck but can be done with AR's is 10 years in jail, minimum. Which is why no one does it.

To own a post ban, modern fully automatic weapon, lets say an FN Scar, well you have to be a manufacture of destructive devices I beleive. To make yourself one of those you give up all sorts of rights, and pretty much the BATFE can pay you a friendly visit whenever they want to inspect your books.

Laymen really have no clue about the how regulated firearms are.

JamesDean · #2 12-19-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

The sale of assault rifles is not in question here.

An assault rifle by definition is capable of fully automatic fire, which is a BATFE regulated class 3 NFA item. You can buy them but its a process to say the least.

What they are talking about are bayonet mounts and pistol grips, which CT already has in place because for the most part the AWB did not sunset here in 2004.

A semi automatic Bushmaster rifle like the one used in the shootings is AWB compliant and costs about $900. An M16 which is an assault rifle is an NFA item and costs about $12k-$16k. They look similar but in terms of regulation, cost, and function are in different worlds. The penalty for turning a Bushmaster into an NFA item which is hard as heck but can be done with AR's is 10 years in jail, minimum. Which is why no one does it.

To own a post ban, modern fully automatic weapon, lets say an FN Scar, well you have to be a manufacture of destructive devices I beleive. To make yourself one of those you give up all sorts of rights, and pretty much the BATFE can pay you a friendly visit whenever they want to inspect your books.

Laymen really have no clue about the how regulated firearms are.

Thanks for the clarification! The paper just said assault rifles and wasn't all that detailed about it.

So basically I could get an M16 or like three 126's or maybe a nice SL.

engatwork · #3 12-19-2012, 07:35 PM

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Can anyone tell me why/where/when a law abiding gun enthusiast would really need/use something like an AK or Bushmaster with a monster bullet clip?

I enjoy target practicing with mine (300 yards) and then there is always the threat of a coyote in the yard.

Glad to have you back on board Hatty and thanks for the clarification. If I had the means I would own a BAR just for the heck of it

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The only murders that I remember hearing about in my lifetime where fully automatic weapons were used has always been done by the US Government and may or may not have been justified. Here is one example:

my-lai

Hatterasguy · #4 12-19-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by engatwork

I enjoy target practicing with mine (300 yards) and then there is always the threat of a coyote in the yard.

Glad to have you back on board Hatty and thanks for the clarification. If I had the means I would own a BAR just for the heck of it

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The only murders that I remember hearing about in my lifetime where fully automatic weapons were used has always been done by the US Government and may or may not have been justified. Here is one example:

my-lai

According to my friend who served in Vietnam in the special forces as a medic the US government is responsible for lots of murders. He has some stories...

So in terms of fully auto, civilians have a far better record. I think only one crime in maybe 80 years has been committed with a legal full auto, and I want to say it was a police officer who did it.

Hatterasguy · #5 12-19-2012, 09:14 PM

My point to this entire debate is this:

What you have right now are politicians taking advantage of a tragedy, because as they say in politics never let a good one go to waste! There are interests in DC who for the past 8 years have been sidelined with the AWB reinstatement pretty much rotting in committee. They are now using this tragedy in an attempt to ram it threw.

The guys in DC have no interest in actually trying to maybe figure out a way to stop tragedies like this, and nothing on the block now that I hear on the news will prevent it, or really has anything to do with it, its just politics.

Everything they are talking about on the news CT already has on the books in terms of gun laws. The only one I'm a bit concerned about is the silly "hi cap" mag laws that are circulating around. In reality a nation wide AWB might actually be good for me. No longer will CT residents have to import say a Scar17 threw round about channels, now it will be super easy. Same with AK's and a few other rifles.

raymr · #6 12-19-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

My point to this entire debate is this:

What you have right now are politicians taking advantage of a tragedy, because as they say in politics never let a good one go to waste! There are interests in DC who for the past 8 years have been sidelined with the AWB reinstatement pretty much rotting in committee. They are now using this tragedy in an attempt to ram it threw.

The guys in DC have no interest in actually trying to maybe figure out a way to stop tragedies like this, and nothing on the block now that I hear on the news will prevent it, or really has anything to do with it, its just politics.

Everything they are talking about on the news CT already has on the books in terms of gun laws. The only one I'm a bit concerned about is the silly "hi cap" mag laws that are circulating around. In reality a nation wide AWB might actually be good for me. No longer will CT residents have to import say a Scar17 threw round about channels, now it will be super easy. Same with AK's and a few other rifles.

On the other hand by waiting through another period of relative peace, the motivation to get something done slowly fades away. The next tragedy happens and there is collective guilt about not doing anything. Then indeed the victims will be our modern day sacrificial lambs, the price of business as usual.

Hatterasguy · #7 12-19-2012, 09:52 PM

Well a good start would be beefing up school security, and the hiring of armed school security guards.

Hatterasguy · #8 12-19-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

Thanks for the clarification! The paper just said assault rifles and wasn't all that detailed about it.

So basically I could get an M16 or like three 126's or maybe a nice SL.

Yeah but M16's are "cheap", an M2 Browning is $100k, I know of one of only maybe 5 Steyr Aug's in the US and its for sale for $105k. Thompson sub guns are $30k, MG42's are $30k +/-.

Playing in the NFA world is a very expensive proposition, its very easy for the NFA guys to have a quarter million in guns in a safe or more.

Or for $1k you can buy semi auto's that look pretty similar to all of these.