actually, its a link to an abstract. The paper is more complex to source than that. I tried, its not on the NCJRS database, but good job in linking to an informative paper on the subject which conveniently isn't an informative paper on the subject.

Ill continue my search, because the actual paper might be very interesting to read and im glad you brought it up, let us know where you find it too, unless you have a copy on your computer you can link. Needs to be sourced from a library is what it looked like.

as far as how lawyers do it, beats me, maybe you know based on the below favorite? Though typically, it seems to me that they have the data they refer to.

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shall we agree that loopholes exist with each state coming up with radically different rules? thats the point of that story.

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cartels.

If we had effectively autonomous criminal fiefdoms all over the US that the state and feds couldn't control, you can bet my stance on gun control would be different. But thats not a problem we actually have

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truer words were never said

Interesting info, what would you need to buy more guns if you wanted?

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I suppose that it was inevitable that this thread would turn to the subject of gun control rather than the real problem, the SICKY that USED the guns. We need SICKY control. A gun is completely incapable of killing someone by itself.

BTW, the constitution does INDEED put forth the right to BEAR arms. It says nothing about extending the PRIVILEDGE to bear arms.

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Please, please tell me how this stupid idea could have possibly saved ANYONE in CT.

You keep coming up with ideas that have absolutely NO bearing on what happened, nor would they have stopped this tragic mass murder from happening.

You're grasping at straws...

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it wouldn't. What it would do, is provide incentive for unused weapons to be locked up securely. Thats what he's getting at.

A lot of the extra mild restrictions proposed in this thread by moderates would have had an effect on what happened, certainly. Why is the concept of a gun safe for every gun owner such a bother for you?

Next question is how many gun owners have 3 or more firearms? the whole argument that its a big financial investment for gun owners is nonsense. Simply pass on the 3rd AK, and get a safe.

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and how is a gun safe not effective for sicky control? Part of it is limiting access to firearms for sickys, I don't see why we cant improve storage and maintenance of weapons with a little responsibility, and at the same time work on examining mental health and doing a better job there too.

look at all the options out there, check this one out, pretty neat-

http://www.google.com/shopping/product/2357806423601568004?q=fingerprint%20gun%20safe&hl=en&sqi=2&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.dmQ&bpcl=40096503&biw=1440&bih=807&sa=X&ei=rVHSUNHLI7G30AHupoH4Bg&ved=0CG0Q5Q0wAA

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Saw an article today in the paper about how gun sales shot up after the killings. People are evidently afraid that their right to own an assault rifle will be taken away.

It still strikes me that we allow the sale of assault rifles. Hand guns, ok I understand the personal defense thing..

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I lock up my firearms because they are expensive, and I don't want them stolen. Well my 10/22 is laying against my safe now but the guts are in a plastic bag so its pretty much a paper weight at the moment.

Responsible gun owners should secure their firearms. If you have kids in the house their are plenty of quick access safes to store firearms in for defensive use.

https://www.ftknox.com/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59

Right here, you can keep a pistol next to your bed, get at it in a second, and have it safely secured all for under $200.

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Can anyone tell me why/where/when a law abiding gun enthusiast would really need/use something like an AK or Bushmaster with a monster bullet clip?

The sale of assault rifles is not in question here.

An assault rifle by definition is capable of fully automatic fire, which is a BATFE regulated class 3 NFA item. You can buy them but its a process to say the least.

What they are talking about are bayonet mounts and pistol grips, which CT already has in place because for the most part the AWB did not sunset here in 2004.

A semi automatic Bushmaster rifle like the one used in the shootings is AWB compliant and costs about $900. An M16 which is an assault rifle is an NFA item and costs about $12k-$16k. They look similar but in terms of regulation, cost, and function are in different worlds. The penalty for turning a Bushmaster into an NFA item which is hard as heck but can be done with AR's is 10 years in jail, minimum. Which is why no one does it.

To own a post ban, modern fully automatic weapon, lets say an FN Scar, well you have to be a manufacture of destructive devices I beleive. To make yourself one of those you give up all sorts of rights, and pretty much the BATFE can pay you a friendly visit whenever they want to inspect your books.

Laymen really have no clue about the how regulated firearms are.

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Read the 2nd amendment, it wasn't stuck in their to protect Remington 700's. (which the DC sniper used I beleive.)

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I'll waste this last post to you, then I'm done explaining it to you and David...It is impossible to enforce all gun owners having a "certified" safe. The only thing you would succeed in doing is causing more money to be spent by law abiding gun owners, as well as countless regulations on what a certified safe should or should not contain. If someone wants to illegally get a firearm, they're going to do it no matter what the law says. That's been proven time and time again.

What you are proposing is nothing more than trying to appease emotions...

As for the number of guns someone owns...how many cars, or pens, or anything do you own? I personally own the multiples of same gun in multiple different configurations.

Here in PA, all handgun sales go through an FFL person, it's called a transfer. They don't track registrations, as it's against the law here...However, they track the transfer. Also, some rifles must go through an FFL dealer for transfer as well. Again...they don't require registration.

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It doesn't matter, as long as it's stored safely. But a culture change has to happen amongst gun owners. Just like smoking is no longer cool, it should be unacceptable for owners to keep loose unattended firearms around. There should be public service messages on TV and billboards encouraging locked storage. Owners should also encourage each other the same way and, and eventually it will make a difference without affecting ownership rights at all. With rights come some responsibilities.

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