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View Poll Results: Should we repeal the Second Amendment?
Yes 4 9.30%
No 35 81.40%
Reword it to clarify who can own and what can be owned 2 4.65%
Second Amendment? What's that? 2 4.65%
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:16 PM
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Sometimes one right conflicts with another. When that happens how do we determine which 'right' takes precedence?
The Declaration Of Independence, while a very important and historical document, does not carry the weight of law as does the Constitution. My opinion....
It can and has been cited numerous times by the SCOTUS as the source of the basic principles upon which all our other laws are based, but it does not outline in specific terms how the law will be administered.
Rescinding the rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness for convicted criminals is a case in point.

So it would appear to me that the laws specified in the Constitution, and even those passed by Congress and other local legislatures take precedence over the Declaration unless the issue is taken to the SCOTUS and found to be in conflict with the underlying principles contained therein.

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Well, perhaps this is the time that some of us who aren't criminals don't want to see any more of our rights rescinded - inclding 'unpopular' rights like the second amendment - by any administration!
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:23 PM
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The enumerated rights ARE granted, and ARE NOT inalienable.

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Rights are not granted by the State, though they maybe abridged or attenuated by the State following constitutional procedures.

He probably got the idea from Janet Reno, who knew how to used armored vehicles against women and children.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:05 PM
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Well, perhaps this is the time that some of us who aren't criminals don't want to see any more of our rights rescinded - inclding 'unpopular' rights like the second amendment - by any administration!
Where were you when they were castrating our other rights??

Bunch of Johnny Come Latelies expecting to be taken seriously....

I'm considerably more miffed about intrusion into citizens lives than I am about background checks or registration of firearms.

I guess a line in the sand, drawn late, is better than none at all....
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Where were you when they were castrating our other rights??

Bunch of Johnny Come Latelies expecting to be taken seriously....

I'm considerably more miffed about intrusion into citizens lives than I am about background checks or registration of firearms.

I guess a line in the sand, drawn late, is better than none at all....
Unless you were expecting a citizen's uprising, like when the French peasents stormed the Bastille, it's not a quick process to halt government abuse.
I'm sure most expected 'Hope & Change' when they voted in the current administration 5 years ago. But while Obama and his supporters blame all our current problems on the Bush era, all I'm seeing is continued and increasing intrusion into citizen's lives. So yes, it's time to draw a line in the sand!
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Unless you were expecting a citizen's uprising, like when the French peasents stormed the Bastille, it's not a quick process to halt government abuse.
I'm sure most expected 'Hope & Change' when they voted in the current administration 5 years ago. But while Obama and his supporters blame all our current problems on the Bush era, all I'm seeing is continued and increasing intrusion into citizen's lives. So yes, it's time to draw a line in the sand!

VERY well said!
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The enumerated rights ARE granted, and ARE NOT inalienable.

Our enumerated rights have been legislated against many times.

Again, where was your outrage when Bush II signed the Patriot Act?
Was it because it was signed into law by a Republican that so few of our so-called Constitutional protectors did not speak out?
Further where were these people when Obama decided to leave the Act in place?
Golden opportunity to lodge legitimate complaints against the current administration.
Unfortunately it seems to be just another example of partisanship.... and as usual we all lose.
You will not find any posts where I supported the Patriot Act--at least none that I can think of. It was a dangerous time, but the PA was a huge step against out rights--trading freedom for "security" is a bad deal.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:12 AM
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Unless you were expecting a citizen's uprising, like when the French peasents stormed the Bastille, it's not a quick process to halt government abuse.
I'm sure most expected 'Hope & Change' when they voted in the current administration 5 years ago. But while Obama and his supporters blame all our current problems on the Bush era, all I'm seeing is continued and increasing intrusion into citizen's lives. So yes, it's time to draw a line in the sand!
I agree completely Mark.

Hope And Change... hah..... More Of The Same seems more accurate...

Although there were some egregious things done by Bush II, I am still waiting to see these things rectified by the current administration.
Think I better stop holding my breath, as I am turning rather blue...

I would like to see a process which forces elected officials to stand by their campaign promises or be impeached automatically.
You said it, you do it, or you're gone.
Unfortunately, too many of our population is asleep all the time, and only wake up for the partisan commercial breaks.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:18 AM
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You will not find any posts where I supported the Patriot Act--at least none that I can think of. It was a dangerous time, but the PA was a huge step against out rights--trading freedom for "security" is a bad deal.
But where is the outrage? So many people, so many grass roots efforts have been put into motion to defend the 2nd, (and good for people to finally stand up for something) where were these people when Bush II gutted our freedoms??

This is what weakens the argument now, and makes them seem like people who are actually more concerned with their toys than with their rights.
Why don't the 2nd people simultaneously protest the Patriot Act?
It is a credibility killer IMHO. And I really think it boils down to partisanship...
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I agree completely Mark.

Hope And Change... hah..... More Of The Same seems more accurate...

Although there were some egregious things done by Bush II, I am still waiting to see these things rectified by the current administration.
Think I better stop holding my breath, as I am turning rather blue...

I would like to see a process which forces elected officials to stand by their campaign promises or be impeached automatically.
You said it, you do it, or you're gone.
Unfortunately, too many of our population is asleep all the time, and only wake up for the partisan commercial breaks.

Hmm..... The pot calling the kettle black? I was agreeing with you until the last sentence. Of course if that sentence applied to BOTH parties, then I agree with the whole post.
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Hmm..... The pot calling the kettle black? I was agreeing with you until the last sentence. Of course if that sentence applied to BOTH parties, then I agree with the whole post.
equally applied to both sides.
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But where is the outrage? So many people, so many grass roots efforts have been put into motion to defend the 2nd, (and good for people to finally stand up for something) where were these people when Bush II gutted our freedoms??

This is what weakens the argument now, and makes them seem like people who are actually more concerned with their toys than with their rights.
Why don't the 2nd people simultaneously protest the Patriot Act?
It is a credibility killer IMHO. And I really think it boils down to partisanship...
So, you prefer not doing anything now--if people weren't on board before? Sounds more like you are pouting than trying to save the republic.

I welcome anyone to the fray, at any time.
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So, you prefer not doing anything now--if people weren't on board before? Sounds more like you are pouting than trying to save the republic.

I welcome anyone to the fray, at any time.
So now that your "rights" are trampled you're on board?
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So now that your "rights" are trampled you're on board?
What would make you think otherwise?

But what is your point?--other than puffing yourself up over your pride.
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So, you prefer not doing anything now--if people weren't on board before? Sounds more like you are pouting than trying to save the republic.

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please reread my post.

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