"Color has nothing to do with it" makes no more sense than the opposite argument, which is that it is all about race. Color has a lot to do with it. I also say that incarceration has a lot to do with perpetuating the dysfunction in the families of the career convicts. Otherwise, I agree with just about everything you said.

Blame the system at it's source, sure.
But also take to task the individual aspects of that system which are particularly egregious.

Can anyone come up with a reason why so many black kids are 'Raised on the streets without a father figure and no one to look up to but idiot thugs.'???
Could it be that daddy is in prison for ten years for an offense which has a disproportionate sentence?

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Did I say that?

Drugs dealers are no idiot thugs, the contrary I would say. They see an opportunity and grab it, unfortunately for most of them it's the only opportunity they can see. It's the American dream, capitalism at work: supply and demand, trickle down effect.

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I read that it is believed that there was a movement to incarcerate more for crimes that primarily involve black and poor people so they could not vote.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Nominated for the most ridiculous stretch of the week.

I heard a blind man reading a bumper sticker about how everything that I dont agree with is racist. or something like that.

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Poor people vote hardly anyway, why put them in jail?

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That's true but don't tell the Rs.

But a lot of black folks came out and voted for Barak who never voted before. I know numerous blacks who never used to vote. they figured it didn't matter who won they would get screwed over.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Voting for race.

Forward.

If you view every thru the lens of racism, all you see will be racism. Its like a color filter that allows only light of a certain wavelength to come thru the lens.
Look to other factors---maybe even unpopular ones dating back to the days of Woodrow Wilson ( Our first racist President) Margret Sanger, and the Progressive movement. I know its tough, especially when you came thru school, and you were being so revolutionary and were taught that White racism was the cause of all that was evil. Consider that you might have been mis-educated.
as Bot is fond of reminding us, correlation is NOT causation-- I get up every morning, and THEN the sun rises.

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Crap, I was counting on you raising the sun.

Alright, who does it, really?

I love it how you always are able to put your partisan politics in you posts, but when were you ever a victim of racism as a non black male? And who was our second racist president if I might ask?

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I've never been murdered so I can't be against murder or understand anything about murder.

You are the paragon of logic which is illogical.

It was a response to another poster who loves to bring in historical figures like Stalin, Marx, Woodrow Wilson and others in the mix to tell us he's not a racist but others are. Talking about "the paragon of logic".

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Being that un-named other poster, I have a great appreciation for history. The roots of much of liberal politics are in the past, and you refuse to acknowledge your own heritage.
I guess because you accuse me of being a racist, that means I must be--is that your logic?

I think racism is used much as the Soviets used to use people that called "useful idiots"--people who unwittingly further the Soviet cause without knowing it.

Do I believe that there is zero racism? NOT at all. But I don't believe its the primary motive for all non-white behavior.
I have been opposed to left wing policies since Goldwater--and most liberal politicians over the years have been white. I was only accused of racism when Barack Obama began his run. Does that make me a racist, or simply a paleo Conservative?
Stop making racism the cause for every issue, and I'll stop reminding you of W. Wilson, and M. Sanger. ( but if you look at what they wanted, you will see the democrats have managed to make considerable progress toward their goals.)

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Whomever pandered to the growing KKK vote in the 1920's and 1930's?

Then there was a 60 year gap and it went the other way -- pandering to the racial votes of the post-civil rights so-called, 'progressives'.