20 years incarceration seems a tad bit harsh given the fact no one was injured by the bullet.

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Never said anything of the sort. I really don't know what TM did, aside from walking back to the house where he was staying with his iced tea and skittles.
He may have viciously attacked the Zim, in which case he was wrong and got what he deserved.
Zim could have started in on him and had to shoot after realizing he bit off more than he could chew...
I don't know, you don't know...
kind of pointless to continue arguing about it.

You, however, seemed to suggest that TM was somehow in the wrong because he was dressed incorrectly.... was maybe his skin was the wrong color for you as well??

The criminals who broke into those people's houses are in no way responsible for the Zim's actions.

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For his actions.

No, it's your responsibility to protect your property. If you're relying on police to solve a theft good luck. I had my truck stolen and after waiting 3 hours for the police to turn up. I gave up and went home, then filed a report the next day. Was told that if they stop someone driving it and run the numbers, they'll let me know.[/QUOTE]


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You've obviously not smacked the back of your head, or broke your nose. It doesn't take much to kill someone with hits that way. Either way. You can argue until you're blue in the face. It doesn't change the fact that GZ is free today and for good reason.

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I have.....have you? I know what its like to be hit by a punch you didn't see or never knew was coming. It is quite devastating and will drop you to the ground unless you are a highly trained fighter. Suddenly you are fighting for consciousness and try to stay alert....notice I said try.

If you've never been there, you will never know what went on in Zimms mind after Martin sucker punched him.

Rachel Jeantel: 'I Believe Trayvon Hit First"

It has to be true....

How do we know who started the fight? I did not watch the trial. Was there a witness?

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How do we know he was sucker punched? Who said this?

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In an interview with HuffPost Live’s Marc Lamont Hill this week, Rachel Jeantel, Trayvon Martin’s friend and “star witness” in the George Zimmerman trial, said she believes Martin threw the first punch in the altercation that resulted in his death last year.

“I believe Trayvon hit first,” she said.

Well, one things for sure...
we've been here before (with the sucker punch stories...)
and yet we will never know why some people accept the word of a killer they've never met as gospel.

Must just fits with personal bias....
Maybe some of you wish you could do the same??
Satisfy some sort of macho thing?

For me, the Zim's story has never made a lick of sense, because it is so far removed from how I would behave... and I have gotten into my share of fights, and even held people at gunpoint until I was convinced that they were not a threat to me or my belongings... but I just can't put the pieces of his story together into anything other than a steaming pile of BS.
I guess the Zim could just be a dumbass....

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Well, there's solid facts for ya...
Some bint he met the day before who witnessed it through the phone...

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But, but, but...wasn't she one of the key figures for the prosecution? She must be telling the truth, no?

Yep, like I said earlier GZ was fighting for his life. He's lucky to be alive.

Had TVM not decided to climb on top of him and start beating on him (by witness account), he may still be alive too. Even if i was there, I don't think I'll know what was went into GZ's mind. I can't read minds

Based on the law as it is, this was the only verdict. Had this incident happened in the say the UK, where no one can legally own a gun, GZ would have gone to prison for a very long time.

But unless the law changes, he did not commit a crime and neither will anyone else be.

Now don't get me wrong, I think that this is a tragedy, I'm sorry that he died, he could have gown up to an up standing man. I'm sorry for his parents, their pain must be unimaginable.

This deal could have gone down a million ways but what happened happened the way it did and a young man was shot while attacking a guy that seemed to have pissed him off by his actions.

We could talk about a million alternate endings to lay the blame on either party.

• He could have knocked GZ and killed him,
• GZ could have had his gun drawn and killed in before he within 6ft of him.
• They could have approached each other in a non threatening way, explained their positions and go their merry way.

It doesn't change how it happened and why GZ was not found guilty.

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Sure seemed like she wanted to tell whatever 'truth' would help the prosecution...
Reinforces my statement that there were no credible witnesses.

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OH. The way some people were talking about it sounded like a fact not a belief from someone who was not there.

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How do we know this? Who said it went down like this and and with what corroboration?

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