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Jim B. · #31 01-30-2014, 03:59 PM

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Unlikely. There has been quite a bit of pressure regarding their whaling and shark finning but they still do it. I do not even pretend to understand their culture. I don't understand why they feel it is OK to kill sentient beings like this wit out any remorse. .

They bombed Pearl Harbor and evem now they are still bombing Detroit and America with Toyota Corolla's.

aklim · #32 01-30-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Passing a resolution against it in the United Nations or something?

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What are you willing to do? You want a shooting war or trade war? Bribes? Or do you believe selective adherence to the law is a good idea? I don't want the good old days of lynch mobs, do you? Or how about me clubbing you on the head because we disagree on something? What is your operating principle? You going to simply bypass the legal system because it isn't convenient today? How is that different from a lynch mob?

I don't like what they do any more than you do but if we are going vigilante on them, what right have you to complain tomorrow when someone goes vigilante on you? What then? Complain to the UN or something? Will you only support the legal system when it suits you or do you support it regardless of which side it points to?

aklim · #33 01-30-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

They bombed Pearl Harbor and evem now they are still bombing Detroit and America with Toyota Corolla's.

Nope. Detroit had home field advantage and they bombed themselves and should have been left to die. Toyota's were junk but they pulled themselves up from the dung heap. Detroit put itself in the heap. Don't blame me when your business goes down the toilet because you came to work drunk everyday.

Jim B. · #34 01-30-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't like it any more than you do but if you advocate firing a few torpedoes at the fishing boats, would you give someone who rams an inflatable boat into the USS Cole a pass since they no doubt find things we do disgusting? If we allow vigilante action because we think this one time, it is a good idea, how do you draw the line on that slippery slope? Who decides the next time? Who decides how far one can go? If you endorse harassment because you think this is a good cause, what happens when you don't? What happens today with the Sea Shepherd is liked by you. What about tomorrow when you don't like the reason for someone to harass you? If you support breaking a law to keep the "greater good", who decides whether this item is part of the greater good or not? It could become a huge mess when a militia decides what the greater good is and breaks and bends laws to get that good. As I said, allowing vigilantes besides on TV is going to get us on a slippery slope.

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Ok.

What's *YOUR* solution?

Passing a resolution against it in the United Nations or something?

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The dolphins are waiting to hear from you.

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Originally Posted by aklim

What are you willing to do? You want a shooting war or trade war? Bribes? Or do you believe selective adherence to the law is a good idea? I don't want the good old days of lynch mobs, do you? Or how about me clubbing you on the head because we disagree on something? What is your operating principle? You going to simply bypass the legal system because it isn't convenient today? How is that different from a lynch mob?

^^^ That's not an answer, it is just a bunch of MORE questions, so here we go,

Once again:

What's *YOUR* solution?

aklim · #35 01-30-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

^^^ That's not an answer, it is just a bunch of MORE questions, so here we go,

Once again:

What's *YOUR* solution?

Report to the authorities and hope for the best unless you want to go on the road to chaos.

Jim B. · #36 01-30-2014, 04:35 PM

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Report to the authorities and hope for the best unless you want to go on the road to chaos.

That's hopelessly vague, and...

Oh never mind.

aklim · #37 01-30-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

That's hopelessly vague, and...

Oh never mind.

You want Ban Ki-moon's personal cell phone number?

pj67coll · #38 01-30-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

Ok.

What's *YOUR* solution?

Passing a resolution against it in the United Nations or something?

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The dolphins are waiting to hear from you.

I believe the UN already has resolutions banning it, and some of the fleets carry out activities in sanctuary areas. The "international community" in the form of governments are typically turning a blind eye so NGO's like sea shepard take action in their stead. Or else nothing would be done. I do believe that recently the Ozzie government grew some balls and told them to get lost and also the US ambassador to Japan spoke out against it. But absent that it's just private groups doing the leg work.

I think the idea of killing sharks for their fins is almost as disgusting as this activity. Humans ar not ecologically sound and never will be. We left balance with nature behind us a long time ago. But we can try to mitigate our ill effects and gratuitous slaughter of sentient beings for some minor nich market should, in my opinion, be combated as much as possible. That goes for wild animal poaching on land in Africa as much as this disgusting activity by the Japanese.

- Peter.

aklim · #39 01-30-2014, 07:38 PM

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I believe the UN already has resolutions banning it, and some of the fleets carry out activities in sanctuary areas. The "international community" in the form of governments are typically turning a blind eye so NGO's like sea shepard take action in their stead. Or else nothing would be done. I do believe that recently the Ozzie government grew some balls and told them to get lost and also the US ambassador to Japan spoke out against it. But absent that it's just private groups doing the leg work.

I think the idea of killing sharks for their fins is almost as disgusting as this activity.

Humans ar not ecologically sound and never will be. We left balance with nature behind us a long time ago. But we can try to mitigate our ill effects and gratuitous slaughter of sentient beings for some minor nich market should, in my opinion, be combated as much as possible. That goes for wild animal poaching on land in Africa as much as this disgusting activity by the Japanese.

Problem is few people really care to push their representatives to get the thing enforced. Much like me listening to a speech, liking it and electing the person and forgetting about the whole thing.

I'm not sure. If they eat the entire dolphin, that is one thing. From what I hear, they cut off the fins on the sharks and toss them back to die so it is kinda like me shooting a buck, get the horns and leave the carcass to rot. If I don't eat the whole thing, I'd probably make sure someone does so as not to waste it so I'd say shark fins, delicacy or not is worse if you want to go comparing.

You really think so or do you believe that we had conservation in mind in the past? I tend to think it is because we didn't have the technology to kill on a massive scale. IMO, the Nazis were able to kill so many in comparison to the past was that they had the technology. Had our ancestors 1000 years ago possessed the technology, they'd have killed on a massive scale too.

cmbdiesel · #40 01-30-2014, 07:55 PM

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I'm not sure. If they eat the entire dolphin, that is one thing.

If they keep eating them, we won't have to worry bout them for much longer.
Dolphin is damn near toxic. Can't imagine what they are going to be like in the wake of the tsunami/nuclear issues.

aklim · #41 01-30-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

If they keep eating them, we won't have to worry bout them for much longer.
Dolphin is damn near toxic. Can't imagine what they are going to be like in the wake of the tsunami/nuclear issues.

Don't know how toxic the new stuff will be but it is the culture and people are not willing to give up their culture and would rather pay the price by eating mercury laden food. I don't feel sorry for you in the least if you must keep your culture.

cmbdiesel · #42 01-30-2014, 08:51 PM

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Don't know how toxic the new stuff will be but it is the culture and people are not willing to give up their culture and would rather pay the price by eating mercury laden food. I don't feel sorry for you in the least if you must keep your culture.

Culture my ass.
Try to find any legitimate 'tradition' of Japanese eating Dolphin.
It doesn't exist.
This method of hunting and trapping has only been in existence since the late 60's, and previous to the international whaling laws, essentially no Japanese had ever eaten a dolphin.
The real reason is to sell the dolphins to zoos and parks, they just hide this enterprise behind the fake 'tradition' of taking dolphin for food.

Jim B. · #43 01-30-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

If they keep eating them, we won't have to worry bout them for much longer.
Dolphin is damn near toxic. Can't imagine what they are going to be like in the wake of the tsunami/nuclear issues.

Maybe they glow in the dark.

aklim · #44 01-30-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Culture my ass.
Try to find any legitimate 'tradition' of Japanese eating Dolphin.
It doesn't exist.
This method of hunting and trapping has only been in existence since the late 60's, and previous to the international whaling laws, essentially no Japanese had ever eaten a dolphin.
The real reason is to sell the dolphins to zoos and parks, they just hide this enterprise behind the fake 'tradition' of taking dolphin for food.

I did read something that some of the fishermen said it was a cultural thing. If that is your excuse for consuming meat with 10 times the amount of mercury allowed, fine. If they want to claim it is cultural and eat it, I'm good. If you say it is your culture to eat cyanide, you surely don't expect me to tell you that I forbid it, do you? It is your right to eat the meat. Again, don't expect me to feel sorry when you have heavy metal poisoning.

pj67coll · #45 01-31-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You really think so or do you believe that we had conservation in mind in the past? I tend to think it is because we didn't have the technology to kill on a massive scale. IMO, the Nazis were able to kill so many in comparison to the past was that they had the technology. Had our ancestors 1000 years ago possessed the technology, they'd have killed on a massive scale too.

That is correct. Human technical civilization is not eco-freindly. Never was and never will be. In the past we were small bands of hunter gatherers and our impact was minimal. With technological advance our impact becomes catastrophic. Consequently we need to change our ways or face disaster of various forms.

As for the cultural aspect of this. AS CMB said. culture my ass. It's a money making racket since the 60's primarily fed by zoos like Seaworld etc, hiding behind the smokescreen of food harvesting and "traditional practices".

There are people globally who are outraged by this and are using what methods they have to pressure representatives to act. But governments are slow, they don't meddle easily in others affairs and so its still mostly the likes of Sea Shepard for now.

- Peter.