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Old 06-26-2014, 02:50 AM
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The media also reports what the police department reports to them. For example in Chicago if one suspect shoots five people and no one dies that is counted as one shooting by the CPD. Both the news media, and the CPD are running cover for the Mayor.

The News Media out here likes to include all of the details. If 5 People were Shot no matter what the Police say they are going to report 5 People shot.

Perhaps in Chicago it is not a novelty when several People are shot in one shooting incident is not News. Just another Day in the Big City.

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Old 06-26-2014, 03:01 AM
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I thought that we're roughly back to 1960s levels as far as violent crime.
I posted some charts on that last year but I focused mainly on Murder and Violent Crimes.
Crimes are down; especially Murder from the Peak in the later 1980s but if I remember are at least double what they where at the time Kennedy was killed.

There is also a difference between Murder and other Crimes. I believe the Murder Rate was extremly low in the early 1960s even compared to know. Not as sure on the other Crimes.

In any event if you grew up just before or during the later 1980s you view is going to be that there is less Crime because that is true.

Towards the end of the 1960s crime starts rise and the general trend is that it rises until the later 1980s.
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There is the problem. The News Media does not report them and because a Person prtecting themslevse or their legally owned Property is not a Crime that info never gets into the Statistics.

This has been spoken of before. Traffic accident deaths and maiming clearly out number Homicides. Yet no one would dare try to ban Cars or private transportation just to save lives. Other

Just like with Guns now People are need to Pass a Test, they get a License to prove the Passed the Test and the Vehicle just like a Gun is registered. But, it is the idiot behind the Wheel or the Trigger that determines how safe Guns or Cars are.

Only the Individuals active will to Obey the Law and prevent accidents keeps them from breaking the Law.

In order to save lives I propose that in 10 Years all Automobiles should be banned and everyone who wants to drive a privately owned Vehicle has to buy a Moped.
You say ridicules but you won't say it would not work at saving untold Traffic Accident Deaths. And, think of Bank Robbers trying to get away from Police in Cars on their Mopeds.

If only we regulated guns the way we regulate cars today. Guns would have to pass national safety standards, they would be subject to recalls. They would be tested intermittently to demonstrate their performance. People would have to take a firearms safety class and pass an exam demonstrating their skill in safely operating a weapon before getting a license to use a firearm. They would have to register their guns every two years and pass a repeat safety inspection before being able to renew their firearm registration.

They would be required to carry insurance covering gun accidents and injuries. And if they used a firearm while under the influence, they would lose their firearms and license indefinitely at great cost to themselves.

Yes, let's compare guns and cars.
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If only we regulated guns the way we regulate cars today. Guns would have to pass national safety standards, they would be subject to recalls. They would be tested intermittently to demonstrate their performance. People would have to take a firearms safety class and pass an exam demonstrating their skill in safely operating a weapon before getting a license to use a firearm. They would have to register their guns every two years and pass a repeat safety inspection before being able to renew their firearm registration.

They would be required to carry insurance covering gun accidents and injuries. And if they used a firearm while under the influence, they would lose their firearms and license indefinitely at great cost to themselves.

Yes, let's compare guns and cars.
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Regulations such as mentioned above do not infringe the right to own.
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Regulations such as mentioned above do not infringe the right to own.
How come the cost of getting a photo ID is an "unconstitutional" impediment to voting but does not "infringe upon" the right to "keep and bear arms"?
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:07 PM
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:46 PM
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How come the cost of getting a photo ID is an "unconstitutional" impediment to voting but does not "infringe upon" the right to "keep and bear arms"?
Neither is an impediment to either. I see nothing wrong with needing to prove you are a citizen to vote, nor do I see anything wrong with needing to prove you are legally allowed to own a firearm. Nobody ever killed anyone with a hanging chad.
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Neither is an impediment to either. I see nothing wrong with needing to prove you are a citizen to vote, nor do I see anything wrong with needing to prove you are legally allowed to own a firearm. Nobody ever killed anyone with a hanging chad.
Some people believe the pen is mightier than the sword, which is an argument against the constitutionally guaranteed rights of free speech and press.

And the 2nd is like unto it. For a right, you don't need the permission of government to exercise it. This is the point of Heller. The state may regulate how you move it about and use it, but has no say in you owning one (unless you have lost your rights through some misbehavior on your part).

Now we all know (or should know) that none of the rights of the constitution are absolute. You don't have a perfect right to own any weapon. Nukes are out. Etc. There is some minor infringement on owning a fully automagical firearm, but if you have the cash and pass the background check, you can own it. And a suppressor. Etc.
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