Who has experience with this stuff? What has your experience been vs. E10 gas? MPG increase or decrease, power change?

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617 swapped Toyota Pickup, 22-24 MPG, 50k miles on swap

Yes, It is better than the E10 junk they say we need. I have tried it several times in my 84 500SEL over the last few years and would always see about a 10% increase in mpg and maybe a 10% increase in power and the engine is just more responsive. Now the problem, it cost more and is not easy to find if traveling.
For the last 2 years I have been using Sta-Bil Marine fuel stabilizer. About 1 oz every other fill up. I don't think it helps mileage or power, but it neutralizes the acid formed by the ethanol and water from condensation.
Most people think that the E in E10 is for ethanol, but it really is for EVIL. And EVIL10 is really bad stuff for the older cars. Manufacturers had to change some parts to withstand the ethanol.

PaulM

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84 500 SEL (307,xxx miles)

non ethanol gas is all i use.and in everything.yes it is evil and i live in farm country where e10 e25 and e85 is everywhere.and my vw needs 91 octane and that is really hard to find without ethanol.

I use non-ethanol gas in my outboards.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Non ethanol is the best. If I ever get a gasser I'm gong to the track and fill some cans up just to cut the percentage down

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1993 MB 300D 245K died.

There is an app called Pure-Gas.org which will find non-ethanol, ie real gas stations in your area. There is ONE in Atlanta.

Thanks for the replies.

I've burned two tanks in the GTO. First tank saw a huge hit in mileage, second tank had mpg nearly back where it was on E10. Didn't notice any extra power, did seem slightly more responsive.

Not worth the 40% cost increase over E10 for me. I doubt I'll try it in the Mr2.

Small engines will definitely be getting it, though.

I don't know, the MR2 might respond better to it then the GTO, since it was built pre-E10.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Interesting. What year GTO; how about a pic. I would have thought you would get a lot more performance and some higher gas mileage with non-ethanol gas. Did you use 100 Octane (which I think is really about 93 but they used to call it 100)? Or you could try some of the additive which ups the octane.

But 40% higher in cost. Bad news.

It's a 2004... in his sig.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Anyone who runs gas-powered small equipment won't use E-10; 1] the manufactuers' tell you not to, 2] it eats the carb seals and fuel lines, and of course is more hygroscopic, IE it attracts more moisture out of the air.

Another problem with 'ethanated' fuels is the crap doesn't stay mixed. They put in 10% at the fuel depot, but the ethanol is lighter (IIRC) and separates. SO, hypothetically, you could get a super-dose of ethanol and be none the wiser, until it won't run.

An acquaintance in the local VW club I was in lost his Corrado due to running E10; fuel line ruptured, spray hit the exhaust, he then drove a mobile bonfire. Total loss. Our cars aren't designed for this stuff, and no one should run it in theirs if it wasn't.

Cool thing about OK? EVERY pump has a sticker on it, telling you if it has ethanol or not.

Neat link, Pure-Gas.Org!

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1998 VW Cabrio
2001 Audi SomeRoad A/T (no air suspension)
2003 Audi DeadRoad M/T (no vroom, for later)
2002 Audi NoRoad A/T (nothing under the hood, being rebuilt)

That is a serious stretch for cause and effect.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

I should add; he always used E10 when pure gas was available, just a bit more expensive. And the fuel lines made in '92-93 were not made to withstand ethanol. If you doubt me on that last one, do some research and convince yourself.

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1998 VW Cabrio
2001 Audi SomeRoad A/T (no air suspension)
2003 Audi DeadRoad M/T (no vroom, for later)
2002 Audi NoRoad A/T (nothing under the hood, being rebuilt)

I'm well aware of the properties of Ethanol and how it can affect older compounds of rubber.

However to say "he put E10 in it and it immediately blew up" is scapegoating. Those lines were old, hard, and brittle long before it blew up.

I run E10 in my 190SL. No instant explosions yet.

Simpler=Better, essentially everyone in America runs E10 without trouble. I've never had any issues.

Buddy was flipping a Flex-Fuel Ford one winter, we ran E85 out of curiosity. It was a huge pain to start below freezing. Ran E85 in a flex fuel rated GLK350 in the summer and noticed no difference other than the proscribed drop in MPG.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

I've had precisely one problem that might have been E10 related - a fuel tank seal on a Toro/Suzuki mower. Replaced with Viton and had no issues.

Both my gas vehicles run fine, even though I may not drive them for months at a time.

All my small engines run fine. Anything modern built is designed to handle E10, small engine or otherwise.

I do notice E10 goes bad faster. Keep fresh fuel in it and no issues at all. Hence my desire to use non-E gas in my small engines, the generators especially may sit for 10 months at a time. I still haven't had an issue, shut off the fuel or drain the tank and run it dry for storage.

I know E10 gets a bad rap, but none of it matches my experience. I even finally convinced my dad to quit using "gas line antifreeze" - just alcohol. His little bottle of wonder stuff was taking the fuel from E10 to E10.01.

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617 swapped Toyota Pickup, 22-24 MPG, 50k miles on swap