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Old 05-03-2019, 01:45 AM
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I suspect you are kind of like me, no one can tell me what to believe in, and I sure as hell won't follow another's ideology.

That said, we live in blessed times, don't we. Our ancestors never got that second chance after cardiac arrest.. dying young and from many different ailments, and rather sudden. Yet, we are no more blessed in a spiritual way than they were. We are blessed materially, by our own collective intellect.

I would bet none felt bad outrunning the slower poor soul that was eaten by a predator.

We are human at our very core, inescapably human. We do human things that manmade ideologies frown up, in rather cruel judgmental ways.

Take no shame in being human, in acting human, in being what our genetics designed us to be. And when that day comes... smile... laugh... be thankful to have experienced the life of a man... because living the life of another creature just isn't quite the same.

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On that note let us all resolve to cherish the days we have left. I like reading the bible, one scripture that always puzzled me, this one:

Matt 12:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Years after first reading that I met an old fart who was sort of a theologian. I asked what he meant by the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

He said: 'Despair.'

He went on, saying when you are in despair you are denying the possiblity of God's grace, you are whining about the indignity of being forced to be alive. I recently did some web searching and found numerous sites that agreed with him!

This is a big one for me to keep in mind as I lapse into a wee bit of despair now and then.

Away, ye devils!

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Old 05-03-2019, 01:48 AM
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You look a lot like a woman I used to virtually know.
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Old 05-03-2019, 05:28 AM
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:56 AM
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On that note let us all resolve to cherish the days we have left. I like reading the bible, one scripture that always puzzled me, this one:

Matt 12:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Years after first reading that I met an old fart who was sort of a theologian. I asked what he meant by the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

He said: 'Despair.'

He went on, saying when you are in despair you are denying the possiblity of God's grace, you are whining about the indignity of being forced to be alive. I recently did some web searching and found numerous sites that agreed with him!

This is a big one for me to keep in mind as I lapse into a wee bit of despair now and then.

Away, ye devils!
At the risk of hijacking this thread (I'll tread lightly) there are many many parts of the bible that simply do not make any sense. I was lost when god said "let there be light!" on the second day of creation... but he didn't create the Sun, the Moon, the stars until the 4th day.

Then I got to figuring. If conflicts like this require theologians to interpret in order to make sense, the book isn't for me.
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:11 AM
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Nate ;

Having despairing thoughts now and then is normal, more so considering what you've been through, take it easy for a few days, don't make any sudden decisions just yet .
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:34 AM
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oh not yet,but it will happen.I think moving from this area,and Becky's murdering inlaws,will help greatly.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:12 PM
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Too bad our friend lives here instead of the great white north.

You seem to have an excellent combination of capitalism and socialism of appropriate services.


Actually Tom it just saves taxpayers money. As many of these people would enter nursing homes much earlier through their financial need otherwise.

With inflation today for a percentage they would have no other choice. It is three to four thousand for a nursing home placement per month today or more. Many in them do not have the need for their services. Just old and poor.

In a way it of course is socialistic. Yet in their prime of life these people worked and under our system of capitalisim were paid little compared to what their employers made.

Some forms of redistribution has to be in effect. Or we would be a really cruel society. It has hurt the landlord business to some extent must be acknowledged.

New developments continually under construction exceed demand. The requirements for one are a years residency in this province. They each have an attached single car garage. They are built with frost walls and heated concrete slab floors.

So with no basements there is a limit to the amount of junk you can take with you into them. I suspect some probably rent some storage. They are also well enough built they should eventually even amortize out at the cheap rents eventually. The larger centers are way behind us in providing them.

I have observed the people occupying them seem generally content and happy. Why have we been building them so fast and in quantity? Too much of the next generation getting older have been essentially debt ridden. There net worth is perhaps negative even .Or their basic income will just be basic pensions.

Most of us lucky people forget that many people just 60 or so either have a lot of chronic medical issues or are just worn out.

So expectations are the need will increase. If you really roll your mind on this. It is very cost effective and may not even really cost anything to provide in reality. These people were not guilty of enabling the large overall mess we are in today either. More are probably just victims than anything. Pensions are not being indexed properly to real inflation either. So far.

The wife and myself were discussing just reciently what is to come. New doctors are not the workaholics they replace. They want a more balanced life. The vast majority of new doctors are going to limiting the amount of patients they service. So we will need twice the doctors in society we have now all too soon. I do not see them being trained in that kind of numbers currently.

The wife this morning asked me how I know and do things. Or is it like sex where it all just comes naturally to you guys that can? I told her we have drives but our emotional context is much different than women as you know all too well. So we kind of reside with aliens. We must have some flexability. Anyways I cannot really give you an answer without thinking about it for a day or so.

When I asked why she asked? It was mentioned that she listened to the extensive discussion about the odd brake problem on my car. I had with her brother Yesterday. Never a really dull day with the wife.

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Old 05-03-2019, 12:16 PM
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:24 PM
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Nate ;

Having despairing thoughts now and then is normal, more so considering what you've been through, take it easy for a few days, don't make any sudden decisions just yet .
I would never give anyone grief for having despairing thoughts. I do it myself. But I do think it important to be aware that it can be a serious pitfall if we allow ourselves to descend too deeply into it. The person that lifts me by my bootstraps is me.
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At the risk of hijacking this thread (I'll tread lightly) there are many many parts of the bible that simply do not make any sense. I was lost when god said "let there be light!" on the second day of creation... but he didn't create the Sun, the Moon, the stars until the 4th day.

Then I got to figuring. If conflicts like this require theologians to interpret in order to make sense, the book isn't for me.
The origin story is poetry. Any connection to fact is coincidental.

I thought I was an atheist after dropping out of the Mormon church at age 18. I started reading the Tao Teh Ching (5th centure BCE) at some point and later words of the Buddha (similar era) and was surprised at how often they resemble the words of Jesus. Got me into reading the bible again. It's an odd book in many ways, I never have been down with the 'Ev-very word in the bible is the revealed word of God-duh!' routine.

But there is good food for thought there IMO.
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The origin story is poetry. Any connection to fact is coincidental.

I thought I was an atheist after dropping out of the Mormon church at age 18. I started reading the Tao Teh Ching (5th centure BCE) at some point and later words of the Buddha (similar era) and was surprised at how often they resemble the words of Jesus. Got me into reading the bible again. It's an odd book in many ways, I never have been down with the 'Ev-very word in the bible is the revealed word of God-duh!' routine.

But there is good food for thought there IMO.
Perhaps the classic in our family around religion. Is when one daughter asked the minister when she was about 5 or 6. If God created the universe and the world. Where did he do this from?

They tried to explain that god was a spirit. She responded with where did this spirit come from?

Actually religion played a role in keeping society at least under some self control. Whatever rows a persons boat is fine by me. A belief in something is probably better than a belief in nothing.

A serious flaw in the bible is the lack indicating any understanding of the universe. That the world was flat finds no contradictions in the bible. It was likely that it was not written with active participation of any entity that was all seeing.

Religious organizations where the first corporations in all probability. Some have substantial financial holdings today including banks. They were the first to develop the one way flow of money concept perhaps.

One I am thinking of has massive holdings. Their religious activities are little more than a front for the commercial components of the corporation. For all practical purposes now.

The celibacy component was perhaps the first employee cost cutting example in society. This has also emerged again with current discussions with them about eliminating it. Plus development of what today are systems engineers. Possibly the religious orders where even the inventors of that concept . They had to be the first organizations to go international as well.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:21 PM
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The origin story is poetry. Any connection to fact is coincidental.

I thought I was an atheist after dropping out of the Mormon church at age 18. I started reading the Tao Teh Ching (5th centure BCE) at some point and later words of the Buddha (similar era) and was surprised at how often they resemble the words of Jesus. Got me into reading the bible again. It's an odd book in many ways, I never have been down with the 'Ev-very word in the bible is the revealed word of God-duh!' routine.

But there is good food for thought there IMO.

I suppose the beauty of humanity is our vast differences, resulting in our survival. In the end none of what we say, think, believe, or dream will matter... all trivialities. I can only end on the words of Leonard Nimoy... "Pure Energy."
(Oh damn, now I need to go listen to that song!)

What's on your mind... PURE ENERGY
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The human condition in aging probably has many constants. I was out on the lawn at the beach early this morning . Part of the time spent was recovering one of our dogs that got off the leash.

Once again primarily marveling at the beauty of the late spring nature again. The ocean was calm and the changes from year to year get my attention. At times like those all other things seem to be forgotten.

Plus I had what was hoped a good conversation with a neighbor there. Then loaded the dogs and came home.

I think this endless stream of things that I have to get done. In a way distracts me from thinking about many things. I could have many issues if I had the free time to be more aware of them perhaps.

Maybe staying busy is good for the soul as well. Doctors claim a lot of our emotional problems are in general self inflicted. That is why they do not like dealing with them.

At the same time many are created by our brains chemical imbalances.

If I have a concern at all it is to not become a load on others or loss of my limited mental capacity. I have seen those things happen for far too many people.

The wife can identify a months work of things to get done in only a few minutes over breakfast. It is usually just a casual priority reminder..Usually but not always.

I hope we hear from Oldsinner in a reasonable time as well. I do not even think I know his age.


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