I'm just trying to correct some of the misinformation for the benefit of folks who come here for legitimate info.

From the Autofrost.com site...

"Q. Are these products legal to use?

A.Yes. Autofrost X8 is not governed by EPA SNAP rules since no ozone
depleting substances are being replaced. (Not EPA SNAP legal to replace R12). "

Of course, after so many crazy statements on your part it is not very surprising that you missed this....
You have regularly mixed up EPA regulation and State and local laws in your posts... but I don't have time to correct all the faulty statements...

Hey !! Don't be trying to steal MY Motto !!

That doesn't make it ILLEGAL!

You claimed yesterday that it was a ' drop in replacement ' for R12...
that is illegal....

I know that Karl Benz (Carl?) is credited with the first automobile in the 1800s, where Henry Ford is credited with the production line some 20years later, where in time does the teakettle event and his first prodution automobile internal combustion engine fall? Never saw reference to this in the Henry Ford Museum, and as a museum member, I'd like to have more info on this please.

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It's too bad this is not in the Henry ford Museum, but with our litigious society, they could be covering their a$$e$ not wanting any kid to try this at home. I'm 48 years old. We learned this in school. I had to do my research on Henry Ford for a 9th grade essay and came across this story form books about the history of the Ford automobile. The closest I can remeber from that far back in my lifetime is that this took place in the 1880's sometime.

He was a child of about 12 when he lived with his Aunt and was scolded for something. I'm going back into my memory far here. While he was forced to stay in the parlor and think about what he was punished for, he decided the teakettle should be stopped up with the lid anchored down just to see what would happen while he waited. He filled the kettle halfway with water and set it on the parlor wood stove to boil and waited. The resulting explosion had shattered the teakettle and blew pieces of it around the parlor and one cut a nasty gash in his face above the left eye badly. It also broke a pane of glass.

He remembered while being punished for that incident, thinking this was a powerful energy source and there must be a way to harness it. The steam engine was developed as a result. How much Henry Ford was involved in this was not made clear. Please do ask the Museum curator about this! I'd love to know more on this as what I can remember as a child fades with age! I was in the 9th grade at 14.

Henry Ford later began working on the Gasoline engine. Shortly after he was married, his wife became part of the project and said she was worried about the dangers of using a volatile fuel in such a crude device. She Slowly poured fuel into a crude carburetor with a teaspoon while the single cylinder motor sputtered and backfired up the card and shot sparks and small flames out the muffler with the motor setup on the kitchen table! The motor would only run for a few minuts at best at the time, but Henry Ford was determined to build an internal combustion engine.

After seceral long discussions about moving to Detroit because of the waterways that would make transporting the necessary materials for building engines, it was reported that his wife told him "If you really want to go to Detroit, we'll find a way somehow". He was almost broke at the time after spending his money to build this crude motor.

When asked about how he came up with the idea for the gas engine, he reported back about the episode with the teakettle on his Aunts aprlor stove and rolled this over in his head for years. Building a crude engine and having it operate, even rather crudely with his wife teaspooning fuel into it only pushed him onward. He was reported as saying that hearing the motor sputter to life was a thrill never before experienced.

The reason for my 9th grade essay was to point out the risks and dangers involved with invention, and how some made the leap to go forward with their ideas even against an incredible amount of opposition!

I feel so sorry for this country now that we lack the ambition to do something constructive with our lives and give back to our society. California Senator Barbara Boxer introduced legislation that says and I quote from her here " This legislation will not let any employer discriminate against workers and favour a few simply because the majority of them do not know what they are doing!" WHAT!!!!??

This is supposed to be a worker rights bill. Yeah Right!

I don't know what happened to this country and the enjoyment of accomplishment by accepting risks.

I feel like I'm living in the wrong century! Everything that we would do in the pursuit of knowledge, greatness, ingenuity, intelligence, invention! etc.... has now all but dissapeared in the morass of a spoiled society with no tolerance for adventure anymore. Being litigious of course doesn't help either!
Were so afraid of being sued that the paranoia of it had led us into meager existence and stalled growth and developement.

I can remember when companies like GE would come to school and bring us electronic parts with a list of their operating conditions and tell us to see just what we could make with them! Radio tubes, Semiconductors, power supplies, etc... all donated. Can you imagine what would happen and how fast a parent would sue for damages if little Johnny got shcoked While trying to build a warp drive device?

The automobile was invented in Europe as well as the Diesel engine by Rudolph Diesel. There were so many builders during the golden years of the industrial age that were all about improving on the new discoveries of the wonderfull free thinking era of the time. The Owen Brothers for developing the first Smooth shifting transmission in the Owen Magnetic! It had a clutch easy to use and what felt like a constant variable speed instead of feeling a bump between the gears. The ECVT Transmission is based in this design!

Just the developement of steam had a remarkable impact on the Growth of our Society, The steam train conquered the west, for instance! Internal combustion and internal expansion devices were popping up all over the place.

I remember reading about one of the earliest airplane pilots, who was also one of the first and greatest Bush Pilots taking air travel to places never before accessible by air, seeing an airplane for the first time in 1912.

He told himself, "This doesn't look like it could be that hard to fly". And without permission form the owner, who also happened to be the builder, he jumped in and took off never before having flown anything in his life. I can't remember what his name was anymore, but I believe the company was called Gaulladet Manufacturing in 1910. It later became Curtiss Wright.

This sense of adventure and risk taking made this country great. We have lost that now to illogical laws brought about by politicians supported by lobbyists advocating for their own positions instead of the benefit of the whole of society, which used to say" I can do it and I can axhieve if you just don't get in my way"!

Thank you Wright brothers, Dodge Brothers, Walter P chrysler, Henry Ford, Albert Einstein, Alexander Graham Bell, Marconi, etc.... I hope the wimps we have become don't make you roll over in the grave.

My A/C works. I use Freeze-12 also in the MB based on prior usage in my Nissan truck for the past 5 years.

My question is this. If the R134a is sooooo corrosive to aluminum, why are the current 134a cars using aluminum tubing, condensors, evaporators and aluminum bodied compressors?

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70's Southern Pacific #5608 Fairmont A-4 MOW car

13 VW JSW 2.0 TDI 193K, Tuned with DPF and EGR Delete.

99 W210 E300 Turbo Diesel, chipped, DPF/Converter Delete. Still needs EGR Delete, 232K

90 Dodge D250 5.9 Cummins/5 speed. 400K

Gone and still missed...1982 w123 300D, 1991 w124 300D

I believe Benz or Daimler improved upon the Otto Four Stroke engine to be used in the first automobiles.

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1984 300SD Orient Red/ Palomino
1989 560SEC
2016 Mazda 6 6 speed manual
1995 Ford F-150 reg cab 4.9 5speed manual

Mine works good,plenty cool for Florida.1991 300d had been converted to 134a a couple of years before i bought it when the new evaporator was installed . I added most of 1 can of 134a when i first got the car and its been cooling very well right up till i wrote this,i just hope Murphy didnt see me writing here. My $.02 Don

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Red Green "This is only temporary,Unless it works!"

97 E300D 157000 miles
87 300TD ?141k? miles

i cant remember a time when the a/c worked in my car

um... the steam engine was invented in the late 17th century... WAAAAAAY before henry ford's grandparents were a gleam in their parent's eyes...
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blsteamengine.htm

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

and I believe the production line is credited to ely whitney... ford is the guy who applied the two technologies of internal combustion engines and production lines to get affordable vehicles that the workers who built the vehicles could afford.
others quickly followed suit.

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

I was going to point that out too, but he seemed to be on quite a roll.