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That would be a function of your limited experience. (Assuming that "cranking" involves the starter.)
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I agree. My trade is computer repair (aka - fix Windows), and I constantly get a call about how to computer does nothing when they turn it on. I have to ask "When you hit the power button do you see any lights? Now is there anything on the screen?" Most of the time, they simply cannot browse the web because of an infection.
It is difficult to communicate in a way that someone else may be able to understand...especially if they have less knowledge than you on the topic.
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How about: turn key won't run. I have no idea why and haven't taken any time to consider how it normally works only that I can't drive it and I want someone to tell me how to fix it on the cheap so all will be well with the world.
Spelll chek iddn't shew enythin, not even punctuateon errs.
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Basically the concept here is to ask new forum members to restrict their questions to a specific formula to reduce irritation of standing forum members? The next person who actually thinks such a rule would realistically be followed raise your hand. Is it really that big a deal? Ive had a guy say to me- "theres no electronical in the car" when his car wouldn't start. This is a hopeless cause, besides, wheres the fun is forcing everyone to ask questions the same way?
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how's about to crank or not to crank
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I think a similar post should be started and forwarded to ebay regarding left- vs. right side...
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There were some at a company I used to work for that liked to use "roadside" and "curbside". This is fine in the U.S., but what happens when you take the same vehicle to Japan or England? We went around a few times on this and I ended up being able to use left and right in my reports.
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Won't crank is terminologically identical to won't turn over in my book. Cranking is the process of turning the engine (rotating it; turning it over like flipping a hamburger, etc) with a starting mechanism (electric starter? hand crank? whatever?) in order to make it START. So cranking is turning the engine over. The engine has only started when it runs on its own after the starter is disengaged. The startER has done its work; the engine is now startED.
I agree with whunter way up there: won't crank and won't start are the only two terms with any real meaning. Other synonyms should be made to equal one or the other of those two terms. We don't need a separate one for starts-and-then-dies; just say starts-and-then-dies. |
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no crank and crank no start are the only terms you really need when dealing with issues of engines not starting. it either wont turn or it will turn it just wont start why complicate it? what more do you need?
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To address the two previous posts, the issue addressed by the OP is not the understanding of what each expression means, it is the random reassignment of the use or interpretation of these terms.
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Clearly if we come up with a better system, they'll send us a better idiot. This thread is simply about adopting a clear verbiage to describe a specific condition. Problem will never be solved, but perhaps reduced. Quote:
Perhaps not the best word choice. But my point was that as more and more slang terms and text usage finds its way into daily language, substance is lost. Exactly. how about redundancy? Good for data management, but not language. "Whole entire" Quote:
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While I agree with Whunter that simpler is better, his suggestion of "Won't Crank = the engine does NOT turn over" and " Won't Start = engine cranks (running the battery down) but Fails to start" will never be adopted by the masses, and we'll forever be asking "does it crank?" if someone says it won't start.
So, using my infinite OP prerogative rights, I hereby declare loepke72's terms as the "right stuff". Let it henceforth and heretoforever be declared that all posters must use either "no crank no start" or "crank no start". Let's see how well THAT works. Living in dreamland, I remain, Sincerely, Chris W. '95 E300D, 341K
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