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Old 05-27-2013, 12:44 AM
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Here is the link to the car, also in post#1 and $3.5K is reasonable for the current condition.
SOLD: 1980 Mercedes W123 240D China blue
3x the current value would be $10.5K...


That is serious QUESTION of how I should respond to these unwanted random tire kickers, in no way personal to you...

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Too many folks seem to be unable to grasp what's written here for whatever reasons.......although clearly written. (happens) After one try - I give up..... Good luck to 'em.

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Old 05-27-2013, 12:47 AM
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Perhaps I should become preemptively rude
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I believe that would be impossible for you.............
It would be painful for me to try..
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??? Signs in the windows "NOT FOR SALE" ???

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Old 05-27-2013, 01:11 AM
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The way I read it was that he intends to be more aggressive towards prospective buyers; not attacking any forum members. Maybe some quotes or a better situational explanation is missing.

I highly doubt Roy would call any member of the forum an "idiot."
Though I would call them unwanted random tire kickers or flippers.

In 20/20 hind sight it would have been better to make a separate post.

I don't recall descending to name calling.
I have been silly a few times.

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looks to me like 97sl320 was looking for a scrap from the "tone" of their posts
and in the heat of it did not read what Whunter had typed....
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:55 PM
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looks to me like 97sl320 was looking for a scrap from the "tone" of their posts
and in the heat of it did not read what Whunter had typed....
Seemed thataway to me too......

Everyone is entitled to sell their car in the fashion they see fit. It's unwise and counterproductive to critque other's sales methods or lack thereof to the extent that it becomes disagreeable and confrontational - especially in a public forum format. Then no one wins.
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:23 PM
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But I'll make exceptions if you insist.

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(Probably hasn't read many books.)
"Reading too many 'how to' books" merely highlights how one's immersion can become one's indoctrination. Your response was a direct shot at someone's intellect, only emphasizing YOUR lack thereof.

I bet you're anxious to get on with today's lesson, eh? Alrighty...

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Someone doesn't know the difference betwen a myth and a paradigm.
NO, YOU are WRONG! (x2) I DID mean myth so that's why I WROTE myth. Pointing out your belief of some mystical "rule" governing negotiations simply flies right by ya heh? Looks like "someone doesn't know the difference" between paradigm and rule. So clearly obvious when you look over here:

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There is a rule in negotiating which says "The first person to name a price loses."
Sure sounds like you're convinced...BUT WAIT, when you look this way:

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Being the first to name a price doesn't guarantee that you will lose...
Whuuuuuuuuut? Herm, sounds a lot like, ummmmm, backpedaling? doublespeak? contradiction? whatevs kiddo. :faceslap: See you don't even buy that nonsense you're reading! It's obvious in the way you can't stay on course.

Look, at this point those with avg/above avg intelligence would stop:

a) reading this type of material
b) meandering to that section of the bookstore
c) telling santa that it's really what you want this year

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Make me an offer that I can't refuse.
Oh okay. But only because you asked politely. How bout you avoid kludging up the thread with your worthless drivel. When it comes to the action of transaction, there is way more involved than mere negotiation. This would be obvious if you didn't carry around an extra copy of chromosome 21. Plenty of easter eggs for ya. Still, comprehension evades you for your fixation on negotiation. See this here:

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What are your three most effective negotiating tactics?
or perhaps this:

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a) A good negotiator doesn't walk away.
o ya here's a good one:

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b) A good negotiator would much rather be negotiating the price up than have the other party in control and negotiating the price down.


Simply puzzling. The cause of your bliss is debatable, although being brainwashed into a particular "paradigm" is gonna be hittin with a high percentage. At least smart money says so.

O, and one last thing...how bout a two-fer deal on the "offer you can't refuse?" I so knew you'd wanna double up on your value here, being the guru of negotiation and all. So here you are:

Though it should never come off to begin with, don't forget to put your helmet on before you start stabbing the keyboard again.

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Old 05-28-2013, 04:41 PM
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BTDT.......

Too many folks seem to be unable to grasp what's written here for whatever reasons.......although clearly written. (happens) After one try - I give up..... Good luck to 'em.
Boy, that deserves another

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Old 05-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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Hmm

I spent some of my weekend dealing with tire kickers from craigslist...

Here is the 24 foot twin axle car or equipment trailer I am selling.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/338913-sale-24-foot-twin-axle-car-equipment-trailer.html

The average was 15 minutes each to look it over.
Try to guess what the average offer was.....


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Old 05-28-2013, 06:10 PM
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I spent some of my weekend dealing with tire kickers from craigslist...

Here is the 24 foot twin axle car or equipment trailer I am selling.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/338913-sale-24-foot-twin-axle-car-equipment-trailer.html

The average was 15 minutes each to look it over.
Try to guess what the average offer was.....


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$500.00.....or less......?
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$500.00.....or less......?
I was thinking $500. If I were trying to buy that trailer, my initial offer would probably be around that.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:35 PM
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There are some exceptions.

If you as the seller refuse to provide a price, I will offer a price that is significantly below what I believe the vehicle is worth. Say it's a $5K vehicle...........I'll offer $3.5K.

Now that a lowball offer is on the table, the seller has only two options:

a) Just walk away.

b) Negotiate up from that price.


So, in this instance, letting the buyer give the first price is an unsuccessful approach. If you are the seller, you walk away without knowing what the buyer was willing to pay. Or, you begin negotiating upward.

A clear example of waiting for a price from the buyer and losing the sale.

Offering up your own price............realistically high...........is a much better tactic.

Your only loss in this scenario is if you give a price that is below what the buyer will pay. If you've done your homework, this is a very remote possibility and can be easily dismissed for most items that have comparables. Now, if you're selling a very rare item, where there is no easy way to compare it, all bets are off.
Basically, Brian has it (the sales process) right on.

Outside of a rare exception - I'm not wanting to get into making any offer on something with no sale price, unless......the person truly has no clue what their merchandise is worth or may bring, and is seeking help on it's value.

The old widow with a gem of an old used car may simply need guidance on a selling price, whereas the smirking, insecure or smug seller with no price, is just out there to play games with folks. In the case of the latter, I prefer to let them play with themselves.

The person that asks only for offers, is likely just waiting to beat-up the other's price through brow beating, or, is an insecure/timid individual, not wanting to risk getting their price beat-up on.

Sometimes an individual without an asking price believes they're making an auction out of it to maximize their return, unbeknownst to the buyer(s). I don't get involved in auctions, whether closed bid or public.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:40 PM
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I was thinking $500. If I were trying to buy that trailer, my initial offer would probably be around that.
whunter's linked thread/post stated an asking price of; "$1,000.00." To me, I'd instinctively want to give $750.00 for it.

IF, he wanted to get $1,000.00 for it, it would be a much easier sale asking $1,250.00 for it, IMO.

Just my 0.02.......
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On the subject of my prior posts, if I made some assumptions I could have followed whunters train of thought but his posts were sort of run together. This mixed people wanting to buy a car that didn't have a sign on it then him giving them a 3X price seemingly just to toy with them and cars that had a for sale sign on them and raising the price. I just got the impression he would put for sale signs on cars he wasn't really interested in selling in hopes that a random person would , in his own words pay 3X replacement cost.

In any event I'm done with that part.

On to another part, the trailer. I have that actual winch on my homemade tow truck ( 74 International Scout ) It was made by Bebbe or something like that ( look on the large gear ) . It is a 2 speed unit, the driver would be removed from it's current location and moved to the front so it would engage the large gear. The lever is for a drum brake used to hold the drum so the ratchet latch could be released.

The trailer looks home made and on the ragged side, no rear brakes isn't legal in many states ( I'm guessing mobile home axles and tongue, maybe part of the frame ) If it has mobile home tires it isn't legal in many states. As for weight, 1480 LB is too light for something that is supposed to carry 10,000 Lb so I would not call it an equipment trailer.

What is it worth? Good car trailers hold value pretty well, I'd call this one a " haul my stock car to the local track" / scrap yard runner. $ 1,500 to someone that knows nothing about trailers , $ 1,000 to someone that needs a lower cost trailer _now_, $ 750 to the general market, $ 500 if none of the above show up. Some of the low offers you got might have been from someone with a stolen trailer that was looking for a title.

In the end, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it ( and how long a seller is willing to wait for that high offer that may or may not come).
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$500.00.....or less......?
The average was $300.

It is a good massive steel trailer.

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Old 05-28-2013, 11:33 PM
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On the subject of my prior posts, if I made some assumptions I could have followed whunters train of thought but his posts were sort of run together. This mixed people wanting to buy a car that didn't have a sign on it then him giving them a 3X price seemingly just to toy with them and cars that had a for sale sign on them and raising the price. I just got the impression he would put for sale signs on cars he wasn't really interested in selling in hopes that a random person would , in his own words pay 3X replacement cost.

In any event I'm done with that part.

On to another part, the trailer. I have that actual winch on my homemade tow truck ( 74 International Scout ) It was made by Bebbe or something like that ( look on the large gear ) . It is a 2 speed unit, the driver would be removed from it's current location and moved to the front so it would engage the large gear. The lever is for a drum brake used to hold the drum so the ratchet latch could be released.

The trailer looks home made and on the ragged side, no rear brakes isn't legal in many states ( I'm guessing mobile home axles and tongue, maybe part of the frame ) If it has mobile home tires it isn't legal in many states. As for weight, 1480 LB is too light for something that is supposed to carry 10,000 Lb so I would not call it an equipment trailer.

What is it worth? Good car trailers hold value pretty well, I'd call this one a " haul my stock car to the local track" / scrap yard runner. $ 1,500 to someone that knows nothing about trailers , $ 1,000 to someone that needs a lower cost trailer _now_, $ 750 to the general market, $ 500 if none of the above show up. Some of the low offers you got might have been from someone with a stolen trailer that was looking for a title.

In the end, an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it ( and how long a seller is willing to wait for that high offer that may or may not come).
I will take it to the scale ASAP, very possible that is the wrong weight.
It takes two men to move it on level ground with a tongue dolly.

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