Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion > Diesel Performance Tuning

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:28 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith View Post
GSXR and I are collaborating on the pump mod. 6mm elements from 606 pump installed in 603 pump. Delivery on the bench is up 50% like he was saying and the curve looks good but until it is running in a car we won't know how much more air we will need.
Who stuck them barrels n plungers in for U?

Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:29 PM
Mechanical Hyphochondriac
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 539
Well...Myna is of course good, but Tomniks Elements + DervTuning is another option on the STD forum. However, Derv has not been on in a while. His pump had great results, but it is a time situation most likely. Derv is in Maine so the cost should be much less than MynaDiesel!
__________________
1987 300TDT - 195,000 (Original #14 head)
1993 190E 2.3 - 105,000
1981 300D - 250,000
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:29 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 153
err... I gave all the pieces from the 606 back to him. LOL!!! Have to ask him about that

We can talk about what we need to build another. I have parts to build three right now but one is going to be mine. Need one to get running before we tune another... GSXR! GSXR!! GSXR!!! Woot! Woot!

I am going to follow him because, well not only am I lazy, but he has so much experience. I would just get lost in minutia spawning out of my lack of experience.
__________________
1986 300 SDL - rolling parts car and test bed.
1987 300 SDL - semi daily driver.
1977 U1000 Unimog
2007 Ram 2500 6.7l
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:32 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith View Post
err... I gave all the pieces from the 606 back to him. LOL!!! Have to ask him about that

We can talk about what we need to build another. I have parts to build three right now but one is going to be mine. Need one to get running before we tune another... GSXR! GSXR!! GSXR!!! Woot! Woot!

I am going to follow him because, well not only am I lazy, but he has so much experience. I would just get lost in minutia spawning out of my lack of experience.
GSXR --is a pump builder?
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:36 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 153
no he is a guinea pig The pumps were built by a Bosch shop for us.
__________________
1986 300 SDL - rolling parts car and test bed.
1987 300 SDL - semi daily driver.
1977 U1000 Unimog
2007 Ram 2500 6.7l
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-03-2010, 02:41 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Any shop that will handle a benz M or MW would be nice to know of.

Derv tuning seems to be a no -go deal because of communication problems.-sides i thought they were in murder city.

Pacific fuel injection seems to be a go deal on the west side.

Last edited by panZZer; 11-03-2010 at 03:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-03-2010, 03:01 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 153
Cart before horse but we can build more. The pump GSXR is going to install looks great on a test bench but a bench is not a car. Wait till we see it running and then we can talk about building more.
__________________
1986 300 SDL - rolling parts car and test bed.
1987 300 SDL - semi daily driver.
1977 U1000 Unimog
2007 Ram 2500 6.7l
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Mechanical Hyphochondriac
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 539
I am in the same boat...I have an HX35 and Euro manifold that I am itching to install onto my stock 603 to see how it will do before a pump. Then I am going to run a 3" straight pipe, intercool, and get pump tuned.
__________________
1987 300TDT - 195,000 (Original #14 head)
1993 190E 2.3 - 105,000
1981 300D - 250,000
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-03-2010, 03:43 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 153
Cool. I can quote a price to build more once we know they work but I have a "real" job that is pretty demanding. You know gsxr will report on how his goes because he is "da man"

Same can be done for a 602 of course.
__________________
1986 300 SDL - rolling parts car and test bed.
1987 300 SDL - semi daily driver.
1977 U1000 Unimog
2007 Ram 2500 6.7l
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-03-2010, 03:52 PM
Mechanical Hyphochondriac
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 539
He is the man, I wonder if the 7.5 Floyd elements would be better. I also wonder if maybe there would be someway to fabricate an adjustment of some sort. I have a guy that could fab the parts.
__________________
1987 300TDT - 195,000 (Original #14 head)
1993 190E 2.3 - 105,000
1981 300D - 250,000
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 11-03-2010, 07:17 PM
gsxr's Avatar
Unbanned...?
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: USA
Posts: 8,102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith View Post
GSXR and I are collaborating on the pump mod. 6mm elements from 606 pump installed in 603 pump. Delivery on the bench is up 50% like he was saying and the curve looks good but until it is running in a car we won't know how much more air we will need.
I hope to have it installed & running by the end of this year. First up is (another) baseline dyno with the rebuilt stock pump currently in the car, then I can swap pumps. The big question is, can the stock turbo & manifolds flow enough air to feed the 50% fuel increase. I think it might... but I should know soon.


Quote:
Originally Posted by winmutt
Is that my 606 IP? I think it is.
That was a 606 IP that I supplied to Kurt for his shop to swipe the 6mm elements out of. I still have it, but in pieces (all neatly bagged for re-assembly). If anyone is interested in buying it, drop me a line. The guy I was saving it for recently let me know he no longer needed it. D'oh!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith
no he is a guinea pig.
Oink, oink! (Or more accurately, "Squeak, squeak!") Even if the airflow is adequate and power output is good, I'm a bit concerned about my transmission holding up with 310kmi on the clock. At least I have a spare, but ugh, I'd rather not have to go there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith
Cart before horse but we can build more. The pump GSXR is going to install looks great on a test bench but a bench is not a car. Wait till we see it running and then we can talk about building more.
Agree 100%. I'll feel a lot better about recommending this mod after I spend some time driving it. If all works well, a dyno run will back it up as well - no butt dynos or bench racing, I will have actual data. I've already got 0-100mph data (from a RaceTech AP-22) with a stock pump and stock pump maxed out, so I can also compare to the 6mm maxed-out pump after it's installed & running.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurt Smith View Post
Same can be done for a 602 of course.
Yup, and Casey is seriously contemplating this on his 602. He already bought a core pump. If all goes well, he may have that built with 6mm elements relatively soon. Should be good for +50% on a 602, or 170-180hp at the crank.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbobshinigin View Post
I wonder if the 7.5 Floyd elements would be better. I also wonder if maybe there would be someway to fabricate an adjustment of some sort. I have a guy that could fab the parts.
Well, 7.5mm elements would push more fuel, but if you don't have the matching airflow... that doesn't help. Also, 7.5mm elements ain't cheap. I had the 6mm elements on the shelf in the 606 pump (purchased a few years ago) so it was "no cost" for the elements.

My plan is to test the 6mm setup and if it works well, drive it for a while while saving up for a 7.5mm build. I don't think I'd attempt the 7.5mm pump install without also bolting on a larger turbocharger along with an intercooler; as those elements should be good for nearly +100% power increase (150hp --> 300hp). I'd be happy with 275-300hp at the crank (230-240hp at the wheels, same as my E420). At the moment I've lost interest in Myna's mods with 7mm elements, based on the anecdotes that they don't idle as smooth or quietly as either stock or "Floyd" elements. I don't need 450-600hp so the Floyds should theoretically be ideal for my needs.


__________________
Dave
Boise, ID

Check out my website photos, documents, and movies!
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 11-03-2010, 07:56 PM
Mechanical Hyphochondriac
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ocala, FL
Posts: 539
We have the same mindset Dave! I am excited to see your results. Also, I should have a couple good 603 IP cores soon for such projects. Like I said, I am already ready to put in a larger!
__________________
1987 300TDT - 195,000 (Original #14 head)
1993 190E 2.3 - 105,000
1981 300D - 250,000
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 11-24-2010, 09:17 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 20
Turbo?
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 12-10-2010, 02:40 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Quote:
Originally Posted by panZZer View Post
MMmmm... Bacon!
I have one like New unit without the 12 volt controller for 5 Benjy's
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 12-16-2010, 08:25 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
I hope to have it installed & running by the end of this year. First up is (another) baseline dyno with the rebuilt stock pump currently in the car, then I can swap pumps. The big question is, can the stock turbo & manifolds flow enough air to feed the 50% fuel increase. I think it might... but I should know soon.



That was a 606 IP that I supplied to Kurt for his shop to swipe the 6mm elements out of. I still have it, but in pieces (all neatly bagged for re-assembly). If anyone is interested in buying it, drop me a line. The guy I was saving it for recently let me know he no longer needed it. D'oh!


Oink, oink! (Or more accurately, "Squeak, squeak!") Even if the airflow is adequate and power output is good, I'm a bit concerned about my transmission holding up with 310kmi on the clock. At least I have a spare, but ugh, I'd rather not have to go there.



Agree 100%. I'll feel a lot better about recommending this mod after I spend some time driving it. If all works well, a dyno run will back it up as well - no butt dynos or bench racing, I will have actual data. I've already got 0-100mph data (from a RaceTech AP-22) with a stock pump and stock pump maxed out, so I can also compare to the 6mm maxed-out pump after it's installed & running.



Yup, and Casey is seriously contemplating this on his 602. He already bought a core pump. If all goes well, he may have that built with 6mm elements relatively soon. Should be good for +50% on a 602, or 170-180hp at the crank.



Well, 7.5mm elements would push more fuel, but if you don't have the matching airflow... that doesn't help. Also, 7.5mm elements ain't cheap. I had the 6mm elements on the shelf in the 606 pump (purchased a few years ago) so it was "no cost" for the elements.

My plan is to test the 6mm setup and if it works well, drive it for a while while saving up for a 7.5mm build. I don't think I'd attempt the 7.5mm pump install without also bolting on a larger turbocharger along with an intercooler; as those elements should be good for nearly +100% power increase (150hp --> 300hp). I'd be happy with 275-300hp at the crank (230-240hp at the wheels, same as my E420). At the moment I've lost interest in Myna's mods with 7mm elements, based on the anecdotes that they don't idle as smooth or quietly as either stock or "Floyd" elements. I don't need 450-600hp so the Floyds should theoretically be ideal for my needs.


Do you guys got it goin your way?

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page