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Old 01-07-2018, 05:30 PM
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No you were not the only one. I thought it laughable that each mod would get an increase of HP, some more than it has in stock form!!!!!
As laughable as it is... many actually believe it to be the case...

Remember the cyclone inserts to the air filter... 25 HP increase from that...

I think not.

I don't assume troll... I hope to properly inform.
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:44 PM
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I don't assume troll... I hope to properly inform.
Anyone expressing desire to make a 240D into a "drift car" is either trolling or smoking some seriously magic mushrooms...
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:11 PM
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Rev. Twintake has delivered a very well received sermon.

The choir is now doing all the preaching......to itself!
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:02 PM
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Ok first of all I'm not a troll and I'm not some other guy.

Second of all I dunno where and what u guys got all your info from because mine is strictly from track time and experience plus 2 years as lead lube tech at jiffy lube.


Soooo yaaa back on topic please!!

How the hell can I pressurize this cryptic fuel system to get more fuel pushing thru her?? Since everyone thinks more fuel is a necessity .....

I was just thinking of making a blend with diesel #2 and and an high octane ethonal free gasoline, like RC car gas (95 octane) so like 75% diesel and 25% hi octane gas. That should be able to combust at a higher rate plus really rip some power outta this 616.

Thanks to everyone who stays on topic plz!!
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:33 PM
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Ok first of all I'm not a troll and I'm not some other guy.

Second of all I dunno where and what u guys got all your info from because mine is strictly from track time and experience plus 2 years as lead lube tech at jiffy lube.


Soooo yaaa back on topic please!!

How the hell can I pressurize this cryptic fuel system to get more fuel pushing thru her?? Since everyone thinks more fuel is a necessity .....

I was just thinking of making a blend with diesel #2 and and an high octane ethonal free gasoline, like RC car gas (95 octane) so like 75% diesel and 25% hi octane gas. That should be able to combust at a higher rate plus really rip some power outta this 616.

Thanks to everyone who stays on topic plz!!
Since you seem to be an expert at getting 235HP out of an OM616 with simple Auto-Zone mods, get us a certified copy of your dyno chart for this car and we'll take you seriously. Until then, expect lots of sarcasm and for few if any of the members of this forum to take you seriously.

Assuming you can get an intercooler setup, a turbo pushing a good 15PSI or so, and turn up the fuelling in the injection pump, you'll be somewhere around the 125HP that a stock OM617 turbo makes but with far less reliability.

There's simple physics involved and cutting springs and deleting bodywork isn't going to change anything about the horsepower your engine makes.

Adding cold air intakes is doing nothing either. Your factory intake system already had a cold-air intake coming in behind the passenger side headlight. If you make 1HP more from your frankenstein system, you're doing pretty good.

Running gasoline in your fuel mix is asking for holes blown in pistons, burnt valves, blown head gaskets, or melted injectors.

You're dealing with a mechanical engine and fuel system here. It was designed for economy and reliability, not performance. If you want speed, you need to be looking at swapping in a smallblock V8 or some other custom mod. Trying to get serious power out of an OM616 is like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:27 AM
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Be very careful with your tone grass hopper. If it is truly knowledge that you seek, from people who have done it and know what works and what does not, then I would strongly recommend a softer tone when responding to members who have identified some inaccuracies in your statements.

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--- removed extra weight, interior is gutted (500 lbs lighter) now they don't make carbon fiber hoods trunks door etc for these cars, for reasons unknown. So basically I have left the main frames of these body parts and cut out as much of this heavy metal as possible with my disk grinder (750 lbs) so 1250 pounds lighter give or take (so that should add another 30-40 HP)
This is a good one because you can easily weigh each piece you took off the car so there is no "theory" to it, just lbs.

You stated that you removed 1250 lbs from a 3000+lb vehicle making it now way around 1750 lbs. That means you have removed just over 40% of the vehicles weight, ...

Lets say that that you really did remove 1250 lbs from the car... "750 lbs" of which was metal that you cut off with a "disk grinder"... and because of that, I would be worried about the structural integrity of the vehicle.

Many of us have "striped" vehicles and the reality is if you can get 400 lbs out of it and it is still road worthy, that is pretty good. And that includes the interior...


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--- and lastly ivr fitted my civic's (rip) spoiler/wing onto the 240. I just don't think a DYNO can take this into account (along with the lightness of the car) because it's not actually moving on the DYNO. I mean duh guys it's physics, so what the wing does is hold the whole car onto the ground tighter allowing here to really get a good grip on the track, hence MORE WHEEL HORSEPOWER!!! and just straight pull (so again I think this should add another 20 - 30 horses)
The problem with this statement is that the additional downforce that a proper wing can generate increases the parasitic drag, and it is a tricky balance between downforce and traction needs. Race teams run as little wing as they can get away with.

I will stop at that...

The ability to ask for help is a very valuable thing, listening and accepting answers that you do not want to hear is even more valuable. I hear a lot of "telling us how it is"... it is tuff getting people to contribute to the education that you asked us for when you respond like that. It is ok to be wrong or mistaken, it is tragic to insist on remaining that way.

Perhaps this thought may bring you around.. I am sure you have heard of a "butt dyno"... Are you really saying that the car performs like a car with even 150HP?? A 1750 lb car, with 3.69 gears, skinny little tires... with 235 HP the tires would be bald in a matter of minutes lol...

Best of luck to you, but I am out..
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:33 AM
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easy way for fuel is add propane.
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:28 AM
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I'd like to see pics of your 240d, Twintake... interior, exterior, engine bay. Can you post a few?
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:43 AM
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I've tried various ways to reduce the weight of these cars in an effort to enhance MPG / performance. Removing everything possible from the inside less the driver's seat won't get you over 100 pounds, and that's going extreme ... If you remove the hood, that's 47 pounds + the weight of the grill and hinges, so total around 60 pounds max. The trunk lid with hinges is no more than 17 pounds. What else could you have removed? Doors? You could remove the sun-roof capsule which is close to 80 pounds but you have to fill up the hole with steel or glass or something.

What other metal could be removed to hit even 500 pounds? Even removing the doors, hood, trunk lid, sunroof capsule, and insides (extreme gutting) won't get you there and I cannot imagine driving a car around with no doors. I can see no hood and even no hood and no trunk lid and no sunroof capsule, but you're not even close. Even removing all the glass won't get you to 500 pounds on top of the above items mentioned above.

So, yeah ... I would like to see some snappies. Take your car down to the CAT scales at a truck stop. Guessing if you removed 100 pounds you would be lucky.
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:52 AM
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this thread can not be real. It has to be a troll. I just cant take this serious. a 70/25 mix of gas and diesel? what? the car is gonna be wrecked in a matter of hours but sounds like the aesthetics of the car were already destroyed.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:04 AM
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I'm thinking it's a troll of some sorts ... Removing the exhaust system entirely from the block backwards isnt going to get you anything but a lot of noise ... WVO blends, or just gas/diesel blends will decrease your BTUs a small amount but that's it. It won't make your car go faster. Diesel has more BTUs than gas.

So, just calculating the objective stuff, e.g, weight reduction and BTUs, it's either someone really off base or a troll.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:32 AM
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Could u really see yourself writing this novel of a post as a joke tho... This is one thibg that makes me think this is a real person the second is that lol i dunno if i could make that stuff up that he is saying.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:37 AM
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"... How the hell can I pressurize this cryptic fuel system to get more fuel pushing thru her?? Since everyone thinks more fuel is a necessity ....."

I am guessing that a majority of the fuel is probably returned to the tank so it's not an issue of getting more fuel to the chambers. Your injectors and pump are the issue. Even running R&Ds #242s will never get you to your end state with a tuned IP.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:38 AM
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Could u really see yourself writing this novel of a post as a joke tho... This is one thibg that makes me think this is a real person the second is that lol i dunno if i could make that stuff up that he is saying.
Something tells me this is a forum member taking on a 2nd persona ...
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:59 AM
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Ok guys I get it u just like everyone else think my mods are stupid.... Well at least I'm trying something! I could be outside doing drugs like everyone else my age but at least I'm doing something good with my time .

I dunno if u guys are completely right and I'm completly wrong tho so I'll concede to 150 HP from everything u guys have said!!

Now back to the topic how do I just "get more fuel" as u guys say....
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