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Gurkha · #**121** 11-10-2007, 05:46 AM

I also believe in the byword......... if they don't like you there, don't overstay your welcome.

LaRondo · #**122** 11-11-2007, 01:51 AM

This post is for clarification purposes, so to speak.

It’s not about “if you don’t like it here, leave!” and neither is it about “Circuit City vs. Best Lies”

In order to clear the vision one has to scratch and look beneath the surface.

What it comes down to, is US-Israel Foreign Policy.

Now, it happens to be a much-disputed subject on many fronts, but a particular notion becomes evident, which tends to smear those who may not perfectly agree with said policies.

Part of ongoing development is the cancer-like growth of what is widely known as “Holocaust Industry”.

One of its many subsidiaries is, to mark anyone who does not favor this anxiously perpetrated growth as “denier, belittler or down-player” of the above subject.

What is generously ignored, is the infliction of a double-edged sword, to which mankind is being subjected to.

In a rough draft it looks like this:

In order to avoid genocide, it is assumed justified to implement genocide pre-emptively.

Now, if one’s personal disagreement with such policies leads to the response “if you don’t like it, leave”, we have a major situation of intolerance.
Fascism happens to be a product of severe intolerance.

Besides, it also happens to be, that most post-WWII born Germans, have a particular and unique insight on the subject, resulting from practical circumstances.

This fact is embarrassingly unrecognized and literally denied by those in the US, who in their limited perspective disregard and slam everything that is brought to them from the outside world.

Such behavior/policy is called isolationism, the dumbest and most backward ambition, this time and age we live in, could ever ask for.

aklim · #**123** 11-11-2007, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

Now, if one’s personal disagreement with such policies leads to the response “if you don’t like it, leave”, we have a major situation of intolerance.

I don't follow. If you don't like what music we play at a party, what do you expect? That we change it for you? It boils down to either you live with it or you can take your act elsewhere. This is not East Germany where if you don't like it, you have to stay here or get shot sneaking across the wall. If you don't like the way we, as a group, want to do things, what do you expect? Aren't you being a little "Mexican" where if you don't speak the language, we have to change things to accommodate you? Is that what you are talking about? So if you came to my house for dinner and didn't like the meal I cooked, I should change the meal just for you?

LaRondo · #**124** 11-11-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't follow. If you don't like what music we play at a party, what do you expect? That we change it for you? It boils down to either you live with it or you can take your act elsewhere. This is not East Germany where if you don't like it, you have to stay here or get shot sneaking across the wall. If you don't like the way we, as a group, want to do things, what do you expect? Aren't you being a little "Mexican" where if you don't speak the language, we have to change things to accommodate you? Is that what you are talking about? So if you came to my house for dinner and didn't like the meal I cooked, I should change the meal just for you?

I reckoned you would respond. I am sorry you're unable to follow.

Indeed, I am very little Mexican.

Your comparison lacks substance.
US-Israel Foreign Policy is not a meal that's being cooked for dinner at your house.

Let me turn the table on your singular/plural advantage.

How about if "We" as a group don't like how "You" are doing things.

See the difference? No?
It's the assumption that you are actually "We" and I am just "You" and therefor you assume the right of the majority, which is unreal.

You can throw it at me which ever way you want, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place called intolerance and you don't accomplish anything.

Besides, you pick out of context only what you favor to respond to and disregard the rest of my post's contents.

Botnst · #**125** 11-11-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

I reckoned you would respond. I am sorry you're unable to follow.

Indeed, I am very little Mexican.

Your comparison lacks substance.
US-Israel Foreign Policy is not a meal that's being cooked for dinner at your house.

Let me turn the table on your singular/plural advantage.

How about if "We" as a group don't like how "You" are doing things.

See the difference? No?
It's the assumption that you are actually "We" and I am just "You" and therefor you assume the right of the majority, which is unreal.

You can throw it at me which ever way you want, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place called intolerance and you don't accomplish anything.

Besides, you pick out of context only what you favor to respond to and disregard the rest of my post's contents.

Allow me to introduce you to the art of representative democracy.

Vote the current band of bastards out and put in your own bastards.

Bot

aklim · #**126** 11-11-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

How about if "We" as a group don't like how "You" are doing things.

It's the assumption that you are actually "We" and I am just "You" and therefor you assume the right of the majority, which is unreal.

You can throw it at me which ever way you want, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place called intolerance and you don't accomplish anything.

There is some way that can be resolved. For the life of me I can't think what it is. Something to do with going somewhere and pulling a lever maybe? I think they call it voting but I am not entirely sure.

If that is true and I am not saying it is not, see above.

Let me clarify. If you don't like the way the majority is heading, leave and find greener pastures.

Assuming, that is, that this place with greener pastures will have you and also assuming you don't go there and find that it too has it's bad side you don't like.

BENZ-LGB · #**127** 11-11-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Allow me to introduce you to the art of representative democracy.

Vote the current band of bastards out and put in your own bastards.

Bot

Ah, what a concept.

Too bad that in most parts of the world, including Europe, representative democracy comes from the barrel of a gun and not a voting booth lever.

The "lecture" post that we have all been regaled with reminds of a story about an American and a Russian who met in the streets of Moscow.

The American was speaking with his Russian friend. It began as a friendly conversation; eventually, however, the American got tired of hearing the Russian speak in such glowing terms about all the wonders of the kommunist workers' paradise.

"Look," said the American, "in my country we have real freedom. We can stand on a street corner and say anything we want aobut our President, we can criticize him, even call him names."

Without missing a beat, the Russian responded.

"Well, we have freedom like that in our country," said the Russian.

"We can stand on any street corner and say anything we want about your
President."

BENZ-LGB · #**128** 11-11-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

I find it fascinating to see how you try to manage wiggling yourself out of the garbage you create. That's one virtue I certainly give you full credit for. Listo.

Hmmm? Let me see, wiggle out of garbage huh?

It would appear that you are the one creating the garbage by (attempting) to maddog me around here.

You create the mierda, I simply rub your face on it.

As to your comment to JimB regarding one my posts here, let me ask you the following:

1. What goverment marched millions of Jews, gypsies, Catholics and gays into the gas chambers? Tic toc tic toc...time is running: Yes THE THIRD REICH. (Incidentally, no other country has managed to kill so many people, so quickly and so efficiently!)

2. What government engaged in brutal human experimentation in order to try to prove the alleged superiority of the Aryan race? Tic toc, tic toc: Once again, THE THIRD REICH.

3. What goverment attempted to use the 1936 Olympics to showcase the superiority of the white Aryan race? Tic toc, tic toc....again THE THIRD REICH. (It must have pissed off the Reich's loyalists to no end that a Black American beat the living crap out of the Aryan elite, no La Rondo?).

I mean, I could go on, but do I really need to?

And, just to cover all our bases, what people were (for the most part) guilty of complicity with the THIRD REICH's genocide plans? The Cuban people? The Canadian people? The Tibetans? Nope...you guessed it, it was the Aryan hordes who lived in pre-war Germany. and don't even pretend to insult our intelligence by claiming that GErmans had no idea what was happening to all the missing Jews. The Rapture perhaps?

Is it racist to remind you of a historical fact?

I don't think so bucko.

If you want to argue that the German people were innocent and were all duped by Herr Furher that's your prerogative.

But to call you on a historical fact does not come even close to a racial slur.

And before you go off on a tirade about the "crimes" committed by American people, please save it, I've heard them all.

Some of them are even true (yes the treatment of Native-Americans and African-Americans was horrrible).

"Listo?" "Ready?"

If you really are a little Mexicanito, then you need to brush on your Spanish.

Yes, I do enjoy German products: German cars, German toys, German writing instruments, etc.

That, however, cannot eclypse the barbarian actions of the Third Reich and those who conspired, by remaining silent, with their crimes.

Herr Mexicanito.

BENZ-LGB · #**129** 11-11-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

That really makes me think:
Do you hold a degree in Hypocrisy as well, or do you just act so bottomlessly stupid.

No, it would appear that if they give out degrees in stupidity and boorish behavior you must be the Summa Cum Laude of your graduating class.

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

Let me ask you this:
When was the last time you've been away from the computer for more than 1/2 day, possibly outside of California, or even outside the US?

Well, let me see, does a trip to the UK count?

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'you'? ...or did you mean 'your'? You're right. As humble as your contributions may be, they are mostly worthless.

You must be laughing about yourself. There is very little German to correct.

Did it ever occure to you, that a law degree does not substitute for the lack of cultural redefinement?
I mean, WTF are you doing on a 'Mercedes-Shop-Forum', if you have so much discontent for Germans?

I keep telling you, I like Germans, I dated a German girl and I have friends who are Germans and who travel to Germany all the time.

It is people like you that I do not like. Pretentiousness, by those who have nothing to be pretentious, seems to botehr me.

I admit, I am guilty of that.

Incidentally, my favorite Benz was designed by an Italian, go figure.

(I think that you are probably using the word "discontent" in the wrong context. Go check it out.)

Nope, a law degree does not confer any sort of refiment on me, or on anyone else. Look at the boorish behavior of most lawyers...Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Richard Nixon were (or are) all lawyers. 'Nuff said.

What a law degree gives me is the ability to smell bull**** a mile away and to expose it for all to see. And let me tell you La Rondo...dude I can smell your posts even before I turn on my computer.

LaRondo · #**130** 11-12-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Allow me to introduce you to the art of representative democracy.

Vote the current band of bastards out and put in your own bastards.

Bot

There you go! We'll do!

LaRondo · #**131** 11-12-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

There is some way that can be resolved. For the life of me I can't think what it is. Something to do with going somewhere and pulling a lever maybe? I think they call it voting but I am not entirely sure.

If that is true and I am not saying it is not, see above.

Let me clarify. If you don't like the way the majority is heading, leave and find greener pastures.

Assuming, that is, that this place with greener pastures will have you and also assuming you don't go there and find that it too has it's bad side you don't like.

You don't present a majority, sorry.

There can be many things in a person’s life that are not exactly “likeable”, does that mean you would suggest “If you don’t like this or that, why don’t you just go ahead and quit living?”

Another example, let’s take Tom W. and his rental business:

Just because there is a chance for him to become subject of a filthy attempt of check fraud, which I am very certain he doesn’t like, should he quit the business?

Let’s say you’re in the service industry.

Just because idiotic and irrational customers are part of it and are normally very little likeable, you recommend giving it up?

Another one:

There is a pothole down on Pacific Coast Highway, in the left lane, about 345 yards south of milestone 268.
I can sure tell you, I hate this pothole.
Now, you would advice me not to drive on US1 Pacific Coast Highway anymore?

Doesn’t make sense, right?

Here is a better one:

I have so far not heard a single statement from anyone, saying they like to be in Iraq. It’s merely portrait as a bloody necessity, a sacrifice.

But, they still don’t get out. How about that?

LaRondo · #**132** 11-12-2007, 12:37 AM

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His ownership and appreciation of multiple Mercedes automobiles more than qualifies him for membership on this forum, and he has been forthcoming with technical knowledge to share about them; Can you say the same about yourself?

According to Mercedesshop.com policy, posts become property of Mercedesshop.com, which means any of my posts are de facto a contribution to the Forum.

Whether it is of technical, advisory or any other substantial benefit to anybody else is a different subject.

Mercedesshop.com does not display a particular guideline or description of quality requirements, to rate an individual’s contribution, as long as posts are being made in their affiliated categories and do not conflict with any of the forum rules.

The numerical factor displayed in the “post counter” is exactly what it is, just a numerical counter. No indication for the quality of contribution.

Now, you are perfectly entitled to your personal preference on posts and contributions and to select and rate them accordingly.

If you refer to a member’s effort to arrange for personal meetings and GTG’s, this would be part of your personal preference.

Myself, I am not a “Vereinsmeier” (club geek), therefore personal meetings would require certain background and harmonic flow.
Besides, BENZ LGB and myself already met in person. It may not have happened to his standards of organization, but it happened.

To make the long story and the answer to your question short and simple:
“Yes, I did and still do contribute to this forum”.

To elaborate a little more on what I am point at:

Mercedes Benz automobiles are one of the most prominent German export products worldwide. There was a time when people in US had no frigging clue about MB automobiles.
Now, it has become on of the most fashionable items to own, esp. in upscale areas of this country.
Owning a foreign automobile is it! People consider themselves “Hot *****.”
Particularly when owning a car of European origin.

Now, it simply makes no impression, to quote on one hand “the love and passion for Benzes (sic)” and on the other hand to expel on every possible occasion personal discontent in the form of “Euro-Trash”

You can’t take the creator out of his creation!

You may as well end up and call Mercedes Benz automobiles “anti-Semitic cars”, which has happened before, no doubt.
Jennifer Aniston, to name one of those who made their reference to the car make by calling it a “Nazi car”

So, now I ask you: What kind of trash do you prefer?

aklim · #**133** 11-12-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

You don't present a majority, sorry.

There can be many things in a person’s life that are not exactly “likeable”, does that mean you would suggest “If you don’t like this or that, why don’t you just go ahead and quit living?”

And you do?

Well if the "lose" column is bigger than the "win" column, ...... Nobody is saying that if you don't like one thing, leave. I am simply saying that if you find someplace better, leave for that place.

Let me ask you this. If you think that moving to place X will give you a better life OVERALL, what do you do? Stay here and whine? Why not go there and see if it is better and if it is, stay there. If not, find something more to your liking? Or do you believe in banging one's head against the wall?

Take a job for instance. If you are unhappy here and think you have a better life there, (note that I said BETTER and NOT that it is PERFECT) transfer there.

If I think you are a Jackass, I don't leave the forum. If the forum is full of Jackasses and I think there is a better forum, why would I still remain?

Gurkha · #**134** 11-12-2007, 12:55 AM

None of us represent the majority in any way, its all subjective opinion at best.

LaRondo · #**135** 11-12-2007, 01:19 AM

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And you do?

No. I only presented an example of how 'singular/plural' works in rethoric and how the picture changes by turning the table on the 'we/you' constellation.

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well if the "lose" column is bigger than the "win" column, ...... Nobody is saying that if you don't like one thing, leave. I am simply saying that if you find someplace better, leave for that place.

Let me ask you this. If you think that moving to place X will give you a better life OVERALL, what do you do? Stay here and whine? Why not go there and see if it is better and if it is, stay there. If not, find something more to your liking? Or do you believe in banging one's head against the wall?

Take a job for instance. If you are unhappy here and think you have a better life there, (note that I said BETTER and NOT that it is PERFECT) transfer there.

If I think you are a Jackass, I don't leave the forum. If the forum is full of Jackasses and I think there is a better forum, why would I still remain?

Excellent response. I mentioned it previously, the US and I are a perfect match, at least as far as I can see ...

I certainly don't think this country is full of jackasses, by no means. Its only a few who are ransacking the place and I would not suppose that you or any of those around here are a part of it.

This country is based on freedom of believes with a constitutional bases of what is deemed to be right and/or wrong.
This is exactly why I am here, because it sits very well with me.

And personally, I don't care who shoots who and if it comes to it I will certainly defend this place, the same way I'd defend any other place that is precious to me.

I am not whining about anything, I stopped whining a long time ago, neither am I the kind of person who submits to pre-chewed proposals.

I make the environment around me work for me, if I need to.

Something you said in another shows a lot of similarity. 'Having my own codes' sounds familiar?

In other words, just because you think differently about this of that in regards to this country, I would never resort to the point where I tell you to go and stage your act somewhere else. Never.

This is exactly a part of American ethics.
I refrained from calling you Un-American for your "don't like it, leave it" theory. You can say whatever you please like, but in a way this quote is Un-American and you know why.

So, let me assure you, I am above-average successful here and also in other geographical regions.

I’m sorry if I created the impression in you, that I am unhappy here, if that would be the case, I certainly wouldn’t be here.

Neither you nor I would want this place to become anything else. In the current situation, you and I may have different concerns. What’s good for you may not be the best for me and visa versa.

BTW, I was wondering do you have any personal relations with former East-Germany?