Please don't confuse the issue with facts and experience.

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The winner defines war crime. That's why Vietnam hasn't prosecuted guards that tortured folks like Jon McCain.

And who has prosecuted John McCain for bombing, from a high speed jet no less, a people, a nation, who never harmed or threatened him?

We would sit still for such a thing? Or be gentle with the perpetrator?

I think not.

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What were McCain's targets? If they were legit military targets then there is no Geneva Conventions beef.

I believe you should have the proper credentials or training to torture someone in order to extract information. On the other hand I believe that if you have been and are acting suspicious and have been already caught in a couple of lies, which would have some significance to the safety and well being of people and property, then you are asking for trouble. There may also be room for civil rights to claim that information, discovered under torture, is inadmissible in court and cannot be used to incriminate you. This would be like obtaining evidence without a warrant..

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Where in the hell do you draw the line? "torture" too me is any type of detainment, blindfolding or anything done against my will. With that said waterboarding is an effective, needed and necessary interogation tool that we need to extract information from unwilling axis that holds information that can save allied lives. I'm sure an anti-waterboarder would change their tune if they had a loved one kidnapped and waterboarding could be used to extract the information needed for a safe return.

This investigation is not about human rights, there is a segment of our government that wants some high profile cases in the news and to imprison a few CIA interrogators.

You're wrong Hatterasguy...and insensitive. We need to build rapport and get to know them and reason with them. They're really just like you and me just misunderstood. I'm really glad you're not in charge.

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You can't reason with people who from the time they are born have one goal in life, to kill infidels. You cannot use our modern western logic on them, they think like its the 14th century. If they stayed in their own country and were not hell bent on killing as many of us as they can I wouldn't give a care, its not our concern. But now it is, and the only reasoning they understand is force.

A 5.56 bullit through their head is the best way to "build rapport" and "reason" with them.


If I was president I would have the head of every AL qaeda leader we have caught on a pike on the White House lawn. Hows is that for sensitive?

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It is sensitive. You could have put them sticking out of buckets of pigs blood.

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See I'm a very sensitive guy.

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Jim Jones was "misunderstood", Marshall Applewhite was "misunderstood", Charles Manson was "Misunderstood", Timothy McVeigh was "misunderstood", the teenage Palestinian girl that walked into a Jewish wedding and blew herself and 20 other peole into bits was 'Misunderstood",a whole society of young, brainwashed children being taught to kill themselves and others is "Misunderstood",no,....... glad YOU are not running the country.

'Spaz--methinks you missed a little sarcasm by a teammate

Oh sorry, let's just pretend I didn't LOL!

A little daily bruising of one's ego (mine) never hurts.

I don't see being against torture as anti American. If anything it is
defending our values.

Torture will get information but not accurate information. Look at
the Vietnam POW confessions to war crimes, Witch confessions etc.

McCain is not a loony liberal!

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we need to kill every terrorist we can get a sight picture on, those we capture, we need to "interogate" until they tell us where we find more to kill. we are talking survival of our culture, of our nation, our children.

I have been to the middle east before. I don't want my grandchildren to grow up in a country influenced by Sh'arian law............