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MS Fowler · #16 05-08-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.

I'm not so worried about people with fake ID showing up to vote in someone else's name. What seems more plausible to me, and living in a Sanctuary State-controlled by a single party- makes it most plausible, is the issuing of voter cards to illegals, and instructing them to vote a straight party line ticket.

I want nothing to deter any citizen from voting. I also want only citizens voting.

MS Fowler · #17 05-08-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by disley

Meet the real election fraud.
Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud | Scoop News
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Florida’s flawed “voter-cleansing” program - Salon.com
Florida 2000 Redux: GOP Using "Voter Fraud" To Disenfranchise
Vote Fraud 2004: How Ohio was "Delivered" to Bush
The 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote FraudsYou can't trust anyone these days, or has it always been this way?

I am guessing you posted those in a knee-jerk reaction with out bothering to read the linked article.

retmil46 · #18 05-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Neither party is as pure as the driven snow when it comes to election fraud - which is as old as elections themselves - whether it be thru "legal" means such as redrawing districts to create "safe" seats for one party or the other - or outright cheating such as "misplacing" absentee ballots or delaying their initial mailing such that they won't return in time to be valid.

In Texas, you had Tom Delay try to strongarm events to redraw districts to create a permanent R majority in the state legislature.

In NC, the D's have long had the districts so gerrymandered that nearly half the state house districts were a one-horse race, with only a D on the ballot, for several decades. This past election was the first time in OVER A CENTURY that anything close to an R majority was elected to the state house - mainly out of disgust, not so much with BO, but what could arguably be the most incompetent Governor elected by any state in modern times - that had her own party literally beg her not to run for reelection.

I don't know about proving voter fraud - but do I believe that people in BOTH parties have at least attempted voter fraud now or in the past? Damn right.

Pooka · #19 05-08-2012, 12:35 PM

And Tom DeLay is now a convicted Felon.

Tom DeLay is also famous for lashing out at Republicans for compromising with anyone. His famous line is that only real leaders never compromise. Rush Limbaugh said that DeLay was right and that anyone who compromised was weak and unfit for office.

Republicans seemed to forget about this line when Obama refused to Compromise on an issue.

DeLay is now on the comeback trail and is a regular at Tea Party events in Texas. I wonder if he is pushing for Texas' Gov. Rick Perry to grant him a full pardon so he can run for office again?

Botnst · #20 05-08-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by disley

Meet the real election fraud.
Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud | Scoop News
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Florida’s flawed “voter-cleansing” program - Salon.com
Florida 2000 Redux: GOP Using "Voter Fraud" To Disenfranchise
Vote Fraud 2004: How Ohio was "Delivered" to Bush
The 2004 US Elections: The Mother of all Vote FraudsYou can't trust anyone these days, or has it always been this way?

You're amazingly well-informed of conspiracy theories for a foreigner. I'm impressed.

PaulC · #21 05-08-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

I look at it like this, GOP is pushing for voter ID, DNC is screaming like spoiled little children over the issue. Who then seems to be showing their game plan here?

We need to keep those who may not be wealthy or educated enough to be considered desirable American citizens from voting in our elections and skewing the results. The constitution unfortunately requires that we allow such folks to vote, so our only practical strategy to keep such folks away from the polls is to make the prerequisite for voting just a wee-bit arduous. Not arduous enough to be successfully contested in court of course.

Naturally, I'm all for this, as I can't stand going to my polling place and seeing those unseemly great-unwashed ethnic types putting their grubby hands all over the levers in the voting booth. Makes me want to bring Purell to the polls.

Dudesky · #22 05-08-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.

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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

Botnst · #23 05-08-2012, 12:55 PM

I'm with you Paul. Who cares if unqualified people get to vote? They have to live here and pay taxes here, too so they should have an equal voice. Let them all through!

Dudesky · #24 05-08-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

We need to keep those who may not be wealthy or educated enough to be considered desirable American citizens from voting in our elections and skewing the results. The constitution unfortunately requires that we allow such folks to vote, so our only practical strategy to keep such folks away from the polls is to make the prerequisite for voting just a wee-bit arduous. Not arduous enough to be successfully contested in court of course.

Naturally, I'm all for this, as I can't stand going to my polling place and seeing those unseemly great-unwashed ethnic types putting their grubby hands all over the levers in the voting booth. Makes me want to bring Purell to the polls.

I noticed last week at the poll, they have hand sanitizer for people like you.

Dudesky · #25 05-08-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

We need to keep those who may not be wealthy or educated enough to be considered desirable American citizens from voting in our elections and skewing the results. The constitution unfortunately requires that we allow such folks to vote, so our only practical strategy to keep such folks away from the polls is to make the prerequisite for voting just a wee-bit arduous. Not arduous enough to be successfully contested in court of course.

Naturally, I'm all for this, as I can't stand going to my polling place and seeing those unseemly great-unwashed ethnic types putting their grubby hands all over the levers in the voting booth. Makes me want to bring Purell to the polls.

That's where Margaret Sanger was coming from about low educated indigents ruining our society, probably why DNC supports Planned Parenthood.

PaulC · #26 05-08-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I'm with you Paul. Who cares if unqualified people get to vote? They have to live here and pay taxes here, too so they should have an equal voice. Let them all through!

As long as they're American citizens, and reside within the jurisdiction of the polling place, dammit we just have to let them in. Even the Democrats...

PaulC · #27 05-08-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

That's where Margaret Sanger was coming from about low educated indigents ruining our society, probably why DNC supports Planned Parenthood.

Who can forget that those who came over in the Mayflower all had advanced degrees from Oxford?

retmil46 · #28 05-08-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Who can forget that those who came over in the Mayflower all had advanced degrees from Oxford?

And were basically the 1600's equivalent of the Far Righteous?

MS Fowler · #29 05-08-2012, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

We need to keep those who may not be wealthy or educated enough to be considered desirable American citizens from voting in our elections and skewing the results. The constitution unfortunately requires that we allow such folks to vote, so our only practical strategy to keep such folks away from the polls is to make the prerequisite for voting just a wee-bit arduous. Not arduous enough to be successfully contested in court of course.

Naturally, I'm all for this, as I can't stand going to my polling place and seeing those unseemly great-unwashed ethnic types putting their grubby hands all over the levers in the voting booth. Makes me want to bring Purell to the polls.

Sorry you feel that way. You are obviously way too good for us. You are free to find a better country.

MTI · #30 05-08-2012, 01:22 PM

Having read the opinion piece in the link the OP provides, the conspiracy themes run so deep as to blur the fact that there's no direct evidence of such, but plenty of what might best be called "seven degrees" type writing. A writer can link any theory to any event with enough creativity . . . coupled with a reader's lack of skepticism.