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Old 07-07-2013, 09:17 PM
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If I understood some commentary on CNN correctly, one of those flight tracking websites indicated that the airspeed was down to about 109 knots around the time of landing. Looks like a few folks in the cabin were having a mental siesta...
(1) Why weren't all sorts of stall warnings going off?
(2) What if the 777 fuel line icing problem reared its head once again?
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:23 PM
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(1) Why weren't all sorts of stall warnings going off?
(2) What if the 777 fuel line icing problem reared its head once again?
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(1) Apparently the stick shaker did go off a few seconds before impact.

(2) NTSB spokesman indicated that the black box that monitors flight controls shows that just before impact someone in the cockpit hit the thrust levers to try to power out of the situation, and the engines responded normally. She also mentioned in this context, although I'm uncertain of the reason, that the British Airways 777 engines were Rolls Royce, while the Asiana plane was equipped with Pratt and Whitney.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:25 PM
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(1) Why weren't all sorts of stall warnings going off?
(2) What if the 777 fuel line icing problem reared its head once again?
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It's my understanding, based on FOX interviews, that the warnings were going off, to include a vibrating yoke.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:30 PM
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Just read this on CNN:

"The target air speed for the approach of the flight was 137 knots, and the crew can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder acknowledging the speed, Hersman said.
But the speed was significantly below 137 knots, and "we are not talking about a few knots," she said.
At about four seconds before the plane crash landed, the pilots received an "aural and physical" warning inside the cockpit that the plane was on the verge of an aerodynamic stall, meaning it was about to lose its ability to stay in the air.
The warning -- known as a "stick shaker" -- included a verbal warning the plane that was flying too low and a physical warning when the throttle shook."
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:34 PM
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And this from USA Today:

Asiana Airlines said the pilot in charge of the Boeing 777 was in training for flying that model of jet, and that this was his first flight into San Francisco at the controls of a 777, Reuters reported from Seoul.

"It was Lee Kang-kook's maiden flight to the airport with the jet." a spokeswoman for Asiana Airlines who was not identified by name said, the news agency reported. It reported that he had flown Boeing 747 jets into San Francisco's airport previously, and was assisted on this flight by another pilot with more experience flying the 777.
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(1) Why weren't all sorts of stall warnings going off?
(2) What if the 777 fuel line icing problem reared its head once again?
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Are you taking the lunch bet...........or not?

Nonstop BS that will eventually be completely dismissed.
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(1) Why weren't all sorts of stall warnings going off?
(2) What if the 777 fuel line icing problem reared its head once again?
British Airways Flight 38 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you not heard the NTSB press conference? The stick shaker signaled imminent stall 1.5 seconds before touch down.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:59 PM
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the airspeed was down to about 109 knots around the time of landing.


Can't touchdown at 109 kts. without striking the tail.................
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Boeing 777 crashes while landing at SFO | www.ktvu.com

Either someone in maintenance did something boneheaded or the pilot really stuffed up the landing and struck the tail. Hope everyone got out OK.

Maybe it would be best if you reserve judgment until a significant amount of information is gathered. The planes tail did NOT fall off, and it was NOT the fault of maintenance.
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Maybe it would be best if you reserve judgment until a significant amount of information is gathered. The planes tail did NOT fall off, and it was NOT the fault of maintenance.
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Hmm.... I've read back through my responses, and can't find where I jumped to conclusions. Of course, since it's me, I'm not surprised that you did not pass up an opportunity for an unwarranted sarcastic insult.

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Larry, I believe David had in mind your moral conclusions and not your mechanical conclusions.
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Maybe it would be best if you reserve judgment until a significant amount of information is gathered. The planes tail did NOT fall off, and it was NOT the fault of maintenance.
He's a reporter in his spare time...........
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:27 PM
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Hmm.... I've read back through my responses, and can't find where I jumped to conclusions. Of course, since it's me, I'm not surprised that you did not pass up an opportunity for an unwarranted sarcastic insult.

Hope you enjoyed it.
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Maybe it would be best if you reserve judgment until a significant amount of information is gathered. The planes tail did NOT fall off, and it was NOT the fault of maintenance.
You said that we should reserve judgement until more facts are presented. Then in the next sentence you went on to state two things that you knew did not happen. You said the tail did not fall off and that it was not the fault of maintenance.

Are either of these to conclusions supported by any NTSB finding and if so can you please link them here.

You made two statements of fact without any supporting facts while telling other to wait for the facts before drawing any conclusions. This equals IRONY.

Your conclusions seem quite reasonable (as do other theories presented) but they are still theories that are unsupported by any facts on your part.

You cannot cry about being a victim (and get any sympathy) when you constantly shoot your self in the foot.
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