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Old 07-14-2013, 08:36 PM
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Paul, have you even followed the trial?

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i believe it was NBC that aired a story on a company in north sioux city S.D. about the lean finely textured beef whereas in the story they refered to it as pink slime.BPI the company lost lots of business and shut down 2 of 3 plants because of it.they are suing NBC for something in the billions.IN S.D. district court.NBC tried to move it out of state to federal court but the judge denied it.hope they take an a$$whoopin.same here.
ABC is the network that you are referencing.
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I don't understand why a voice analysis could not tell who was screaming on the tape. Can anyone answer that? Is the autopsy report available to look at? I still wonder about the weight of Martin.

OK, I found the autopsy report on line. TM was 5' 11 and weighed 158#. Autopsy remarked average musculature and a BMI of 22. It mentioned injuries to the knuckles and really nothing else in the way of injuries.
There must exist enough voice recording to pattern the individual on THAT particular recording. Another recording wont do because conditions (microphone, background, etc) affect the signature recovery. It's a characteristic of statistics that one needs a sufficient sample size to determine confidence. Since there was not sufficient time it ends up being unsupportable 'best professional judgement." You end up with dueling unsupportable opinions -- a rat-hole.

Go to the testimony of people who knew the individuals intimately -- parents & friends. Both sides claimed the screaming was from their loved one. That is equivocal, contradictory evidence. I think you woul dagree with me that we do not wish to send a man to jail based on contradictory evidence, do we?
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:39 PM
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NBC? Can they even afford to pay for counsel? Hopefully, George can live off of his book advance for the next several years, until the defamation of character suit is thrown out.
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Paul, have you even followed the trial?
There was a trial?
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:41 PM
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My view is that if he was aquitted by a jury of his peers, then I will stand by their decision in judging him not guilty, no matter what my opinion prior was.

Cases like this are always a media circus, and its difficult for third party spectators like ourselves to really be sure what's hype, what's fact, and what's media milking of guranteed story.
Completely agree.

I would add that we follow the law. If done properly, justice may derive. But it is not guaranteed. There is no perfect justice on Earth. We do the best we can.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:46 PM
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Could they have compelled Zimmerman to provide a comparative voice sample? Obviously, they could not secure one from Martin, unless they somehow could have made previously-recorded voice samples work.
The 2nd recording would have to be under precisely the same circumstances as the first. This would end up in the same argument as before, in which the defense would argue that to confirm the identity they would need Martin's voice, also.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:48 PM
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I am not asking who will prevail.

I saw a clip of the Z attorney sitting on top of a foam dummy shaking it so its head hit the floor. The dummy Must have weighed three pounds.

I'd like to see a demonstration of an average 5' 11 seventeen year old weighing 158# shaking a mature man weighing (what do you guess?) 230#. If I had been the prosecutor I would have been on that like ugly on ape.

I am still not buying that the kid could have killed Z that way....not even if their physical sizes had been reversed.
Clearly you have never heard of anybody dying from head impact on concrete.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:52 PM
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Remember his tirade against Kerry when Kerry stated that he was considering buying an old Suburban to tow a sailboat?
Yes, my friend William gets a bit carried away at times.
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No shinola Sherlock! Hence, one of the bigger problems with carrying a gun period: it puts deadly force very much on the table, escalates the stakes in a big way.
By that impeccable logic, we should also ban concrete sidewalks. Clearly the sidewalk presented clear perception of grave bodily injury or death to the person's head who was being banged against it. Had there been no concrete then the pudgy wimpy bastard would have had his sinister head bashing against some lawn.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:55 PM
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A picture of the jurors has been released.







I keed I keed
NOW I understand the verdict!
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:56 PM
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Heck if the perp even burps in a tv or movie they can recognize the voice from satellite monitering of cell phone conversations! I saw it in Clear and Present Danger!

A time motion study would have helped too perhaps.

Its easy to say what should or could have been done, sitting here in front of my computer. But the reality is that people with the responsibility to get all the facts out for consideration did what they could and it did not result in a conviction.

I'm not gonna demonstrate on the streets nor go into mourning for TM. He might have been a punk, what do I know?

...but although a verdict has been rendered has justice been done? Perhaps or perhaps not. I suppose its the best that they could do.

It will be interesting to see if there is any follow up civil action.
OMG, I agree with you, Tom.

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Old 07-14-2013, 08:57 PM
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If Z's life is ruined he can look in the mirror to see who ruined it.

I imagine he can make a good living as a spokesman for the NRA.

Or he might be able to join Sarah over on the Fox news beat.
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Old 07-14-2013, 08:58 PM
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The trial might be over, but for Zimmerman this case will never be over.

First, a bit of financial info.... Broadcast TV can easily run $4,000 a minute to produce. If you are offered a live feed of something that folks might watch there is no way you are going to turn down free money. But to get the eyeballs you need to hype the trial. All the nets that did this and each is as guilty as the next.

So when people say this was a media circus they are not far off.

And even if you can't get your hands on the feed you can always come up with loony things to write about concerning the trial. Got a point of view you wish to push but you seem to be running out of new ways to do it? Grab on to Zimmerman and wring all the money out of him you can. The worst thing that can happen is that the trial will end and you will have to go back to making up stuff about other people.

So..... Zimmerman is going to be dealing with this for the rest of his life. I am sure he wishes the evening had not gone as it did, but it did and now he is an object of wonder. A free object because he is 'news' and everything he does until the day he dies and likely for months thereafter will be 'news'. And cheap news, too.

Zimmerman might think his days in the meat grinder are over, but I would bet they are just getting started.
Where is Lt Calley? (I honestly don't know).

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Old 07-14-2013, 09:00 PM
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2nd Amendment isn't the downfall of American society. Unhealthy obsession with guns, as is the case in many Southern and Western states will be the downfall.

Your little neighbor to the South -- Vermont -- has unrestricted carry and the most lenient gun laws in the country. You don't hear about many school shootings or fools like Zimmerman doing their thing. Why? Because while it may be legal, fear to the point that people feel the need to carry a pistol everywhere isn't in the culture there.
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