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Old 04-12-2014, 03:13 PM
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Appears to be over for the time being. BLM announces it's done.
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Old 04-12-2014, 03:58 PM
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Sheriff Gillespie has been negotiating with Bundy behind the scenes for months reached a tentative agreement Friday night, though Bundy insisted the sheriff come to his ranch to finalize the arrangement face-to-face.
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Las Vegas Police Lt. Dan Zehnder said the showdown was resolved with no injuries and no violence. Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie was able to negotiate a resolution after talking with Bundy, he said.

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"This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public-lands ranchers do every year," Kornze said. "After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially."
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:21 PM
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The wingnuts can whoop and holler and high five all they want. I foresee a (nother) contempt citation and when he fails to appear in court, BLM and perhaps U.S. Marshals will come back, and NOT for the cows.
The play-soldiers will all have gone back to their trailers. He'll be taken, on his feet or feet first.
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The wingnuts can whoop and holler and high five all they want. I foresee a (nother) contempt citation and when he fails to appear in court, BLM and perhaps U.S. Marshals will come back, and NOT for the cows.
The play-soldiers will all have gone back to their trailers. He'll be taken, on his feet or feet first.
You seem to have an inordinate amount of hatred for the man, why?
If someone pronounced that same level of hatred toward a politically correct group, what would you say about that?
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:35 PM
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You seem to have an inordinate amount of hatred for the man, why?
If someone pronounced that same level of hatred toward a politically correct group, what would you say about that?
I doubt I'd have much of anything to say about it.

It's not hatred. I can't hate who I don't know. Just an extreme level of disrespect. I've witnessed all my life the damage these welfare ranchers do fragile western graze lands. Herds too big, no respect for pasture rotation. Damaged riparian areas that take years to recover. All the while capitalizing on the absolute bullshlt image that they're "rugged individualists", COWBOYS BY GOLLY! while sucking off the federal teat, operating their businesses at everyone else's expense. The worst sort of hypocrite.
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Old 04-13-2014, 10:23 PM
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I doubt I'd have much of anything to say about it.

It's not hatred. I can't hate who I don't know. Just an extreme level of disrespect. I've witnessed all my life the damage these welfare ranchers do fragile western graze lands. Herds too big, no respect for pasture rotation. Damaged riparian areas that take years to recover. All the while capitalizing on the absolute bullshlt image that they're "rugged individualists", COWBOYS BY GOLLY! while sucking off the federal teat, operating their businesses at everyone else's expense. The worst sort of hypocrite.
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That's hilarious, but the MM would rather chew off his own arm than use a phone.
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I doubt I'd have much of anything to say about it.

It's not hatred. I can't hate who I don't know. Just an extreme level of disrespect. I've witnessed all my life the damage these welfare ranchers do fragile western graze lands. Herds too big, no respect for pasture rotation. Damaged riparian areas that take years to recover. All the while capitalizing on the absolute bullshlt image that they're "rugged individualists", COWBOYS BY GOLLY! while sucking off the federal teat, operating their businesses at everyone else's expense. The worst sort of hypocrite.
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I doubt I'd have much of anything to say about it.

It's not hatred. I can't hate who I don't know. Just an extreme level of disrespect. I've witnessed all my life the damage these welfare ranchers do fragile western graze lands. Herds too big, no respect for pasture rotation. Damaged riparian areas that take years to recover. All the while capitalizing on the absolute bullshlt image that they're "rugged individualists", COWBOYS BY GOLLY! while sucking off the federal teat, operating their businesses at everyone else's expense. The worst sort of hypocrite.
Thanks for the context. I understand.
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This should be entertaining for a while. Perhaps it will catch on elsewhere over the summer. Grab yer popcorn and a ring side seat.
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This should be entertaining for a while. Perhaps it will catch on elsewhere over the summer. Grab yer popcorn and a ring side seat.
How do you figure that john? Other ranchers will 'lure' the law into confrontations, er what?
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MAYBE these ranchers are asshats, maybe. All I know, when I see this sort of response from the people of the US against federal facist forces, it makes me proud to be American. We don't live in Russia or Nazi Germany. There are too many instances when American citizens are staring down the barrel of a government issued weapon. This has to, MUST change. No more Ruby Ridges, No more Wacos. No more using paramilitary forces against the US people. Americans are tired of this and they WILL fight back.

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Lots of these "Rangers" ie Federal Law Enforcement are former SPECOP guys. Makes me sad to think they'd be ok, opening fire on American citizens, the same they swore to protect and defend by taking an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I am not a tinfoil hat nut guy, but aggression like this, paramilitary forces when normal law enforcement channels or adminsitrative actions would better serve the purpose and throttle down the potential violence, are not the answer. Could the feds have won, if the confrontation came to shooting? More than likely, they were carrying lots of firepower, had snipers, air assets, etc. But I don't think that crowd would have dispersed. There would have been lots of dead Americans, killed by their own government, lying out in the open for us all to see. They won't risk that, yet.

That is why it is so important to reign in these agencies. I'd like to see the dissolution of all the fed agencies armed task forces, except for FBI, US Marshals, etc. The conventional law enforcement groups. These "reaction forces" are there for one thing: to employ SPECOP tactics against US cilvilians and kill them. Unacceptable in a free country.
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MAYBE these ranchers are asshats, maybe. All I know, when I see this sort of response from the people of the US against federal facist forces, it makes me proud to be American. We don't live in Russia or Nazi Germany. There are too many instances when American citizens are staring down the barrel of a government issued weapon. This has to, MUST change. No more Ruby Ridges, No more Wacos. No more using paramilitary forces against the US people. Americans are tired of this and they WILL fight back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bD61YFxUga4

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Lots of these "Rangers" ie Federal Law Enforcement are former SPECOP guys. Makes me sad to think they'd be ok, opening fire on American citizens, the same they swore to protect and defend by taking an oath to uphold the Constitution.

I am not a tinfoil hat nut guy, but aggression like this, paramilitary forces when normal law enforcement channels or adminsitrative actions would better serve the purpose and throttle down the potential violence, are not the answer. Could the feds have won, if the confrontation came to shooting? More than likely, they were carrying lots of firepower, had snipers, air assets, etc. But I don't think that crowd would have dispersed. There would have been lots of dead Americans, killed by their own government, lying out in the open for us all to see. They won't risk that, yet.

That is why it is so important to reign in these agencies. I'd like to see the dissolution of all the fed agencies armed task forces, except for FBI, US Marshals, etc. The conventional law enforcement groups. These "reaction forces" are there for one thing: to employ SPECOP tactics against US cilvilians and kill them. Unacceptable in a free country.
So in your world, anyone and everyone that has a disagreement with their taxes or their permits or licenses or any other .gov requirement should just refuse to play and the.gov should just let them be???
I think you are glorifying an idiot.

We would all like to think that it's noble and courageous to stand up to the evil forces of government, but this db has been in violation for over 20 years. Apparently the administrative and normal law enforcement pathways did not work, as the asshat ignored them. The escalation is his own doing and if anyone were to get hurt or killed, then the responsibility would be solely his.
And if the dead were a bunch of foil hatters who seek any justification to take up arms against the US Government, so much the better. In fact, I feel that those people that showed up armed to support this rancher in armed combat against the government should be prosecuted. They are worse than idiots, they are dangerous idiots. At least they will likely all be included in a few more databases....

Didn't the oath these SPECOP guys took state that they would defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic....?
In my world, rushing into a tense situation with your armed militia buddies hoping for a chance to shoot a federal agent qualifies you as a 'domestic enemy'...
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So in your world, anyone and everyone that has a disagreement with their taxes or their permits or licenses or any other .gov requirement should just refuse to play and the.gov should just let them be???
I think you are glorifying an idiot.

We would all like to think that it's noble and courageous to stand up to the evil forces of government, but this db has been in violation for over 20 years. Apparently the administrative and normal law enforcement pathways did not work, as the asshat ignored them. The escalation is his own doing and if anyone were to get hurt or killed, then the responsibility would be solely his.
And if the dead were a bunch of foil hatters who seek any justification to take up arms against the US Government, so much the better. In fact, I feel that those people that showed up armed to support this rancher in armed combat against the government should be prosecuted. They are worse than idiots, they are dangerous idiots. At least they will likely all be included in a few more databases....

Didn't the oath these SPECOP guys took state that they would defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic....?
In my world, rushing into a tense situation with your armed militia buddies hoping for a chance to shoot a federal agent qualifies you as a 'domestic enemy'...
Perhaps you might be right if there were not so many instances of the Feds viewing almost any confrontation as a "nail" for their "hammer". regardless of the ranchers various sins, I don't think it was appropriate to send in the reaction forces, armed like they would be in Iraq. It sends the wrong message and actually enflames situations. Those who stood up against the feds will almost certainly be targeted and rostered and investigated. Its sad to think that our govenment will do that. And, "against all enemies, foreign & domestic" is what they swore to uphold; however, those people were not domestic enemies. They are the people of this country, tired of repression and excessive force and control from a federal government that they see as corrupt. The founding fathers predicted this and tryed to put in place protections against it, not thinking that the congress itself would have become a despotic organization, that, instead of representing the states, colludes with a strong central government to corral power at the federal level.

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