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Reminds me of Lexington. Buncha rightwing gun nuts inhibiting the lawful actions of the military.
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:20 PM
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It should be noted that residents of eastern states, like Texas which has virtually NO federal land outside military bases and national parks, would have little experience with issues involving grazing on public lands. It is a uniquely western problem.
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Had a thought....what if these federales were confronting a family that were illegally growing marijuana and in the process the federales pushed down the families daughter and maced her brother. Would you guys be good with that?
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:25 PM
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Had a thought....what if these federales were confronting a family that were illegally growing marijuana and in the process the federales pushed down the families daughter and maced her brother. Would you guys be good with that?
Answer your own question and then I'll address it.
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Answer your own question and then I'll address it.
Of course I wouldn't be good with it if they were not violently resisting with deadly force.
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Had a thought....what if these federales were confronting a family that were illegally growing marijuana and in the process the federales pushed down the families daughter and maced her brother. Would you guys be good with that?
Are the growers armed, defiant and confrontational?

I don't recall anything happening to Cliven's daughter....

Nevada rancher's son tasered by federal agents in fight over right to graze land | Mail Online
I do like the part of the video where the kid (nephew or some such) claims to have been hit by multiple vehicles, including a dump truck.....
Kind of hard to take anything these people say seriously.

What we want to know is would you be defending the pot growers?
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Are the growers armed, defiant and confrontational?

I don't recall anything happening to Cliven's daughter....

Nevada rancher's son tasered by federal agents in fight over right to graze land | Mail Online
I do like the part of the video where the kid (nephew or some such) claims to have been hit by multiple vehicles, including a dump truck.....
Kind of hard to take anything these people say seriously.

What we want to know is would you be defending the pot growers?
I would be defending the unarmed pot growing family members being pushed down and maced. I would not be defending them for growing the poison any more than I would defend bundy if he turns out guilty.
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Are the growers armed, defiant and confrontational?

I don't recall anything happening to Cliven's daughter....

Nevada rancher's son tasered by federal agents in fight over right to graze land | Mail Online
I do like the part of the video where the kid (nephew or some such) claims to have been hit by multiple vehicles, including a dump truck.....
Kind of hard to take anything these people say seriously.

What we want to know is would you be defending the pot growers?
Of course he would not. They are breaking the law .....and doing thing he disagrees with
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Of course he would not. They are breaking the law .....and doing thing he disagrees with
I would never say it has anything to do with what you put in fine print. I'm sure that he has a reason to swerve from principle that has nothing to do with it being inconvenient at this juncture and convenient at others.
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It's been a long time since I worked out west (Wyoming), but I clearly remember the contempt for the federal government that was widespread and among some people, very near hatred.

Nowadays many federal agencies no longer used federal vehicles in many areas. Fed employees of some agencies (NPS, FWS in particular) don't wear their uniforms in some areas.

Clearly Bundy is breaking the law.

Equally clearly, a lot of his neighbors see his actions as a cause célèbre and a fine opportunity to make a point about the relationship between land users and the landowner.

Are they right?

If the fed shoots a bunch of civilians over grazing rights then the feds will have proven the ranchers argument with the lives of the ranchers.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:48 PM
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If the fed shoots a bunch of civilians over grazing rights then the feds will have proven the ranchers argument with the lives of the ranchers.
So following that, if a cop stops me for say spitting on the sidewalk, I choose to pull a gun to tell him to back off and he draws faster and drills me, I am being shot over spitting on the sidewalk?
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So following that, if a cop stops me for say spitting on the sidewalk, I choose to pull a gun to tell him to back off and he draws faster and drills me, I am being shot over spitting on the sidewalk?
You have no control over other people. The only thing you control is how you react. If you choose to make a gunfight over expectorating then that is your choice.
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Another thought.... The Feds Sunday showed their willingness to kill Americans. They refuse, however, to use such measures on the border to try to control illegal immigration and drug running. What's wrong with this picture?
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