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Old 05-28-2001, 11:34 AM
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I am getting very poor fuel consumption from my 2.3 16V 190E, around 7km per litre. Can anyone tell me what the expected consumption should be at say 120km/h cruise.

Also, does anyone know where I can get a workshop manual for this vehicle, preferably in english?
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Old 05-28-2001, 11:59 AM
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I would say you are down about 3km/l, if my calculations are right. I would say that one should be able to get 24mpg at about 75mph.

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Old 05-28-2001, 08:39 PM
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evo1??
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Old 05-29-2001, 01:05 AM
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Check out this link to one of my favorite websites, it includes great descriptions on all the best rides:

http://www.mcpmotorsport.co.uk/mercedes_190_evolution_1.htm

This guy sells all the goodies, and even imports into the US if you're interested.

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Old 05-29-2001, 05:07 AM
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190e Fuel consumption

Thanks for the valuable feedback Steve. I agree with your conversion from mpg to km/l. I clearly have a problem and am having the mixture and idle regulator checked out today.

Yen-Hsen, what do you mean by "Evo1??"?
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Old 05-29-2001, 11:16 AM
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roy

i was simply referring to the thread title conflicting with your description of your car. was that a tactic to get people to read your post? :-)
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'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights
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Old 05-29-2001, 11:26 AM
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So what's an Evo1

Yen-Hsen

It certainly was not a tactic to get people to read my request. When I bought this car some weeks back I was told it was an Evo1, and all photos/literature that I have seen appear to agree with this. If this is not the case, then I would love to know. Any literature that you can refer me to would be of great assistance.

Regards. Roy
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Old 05-29-2001, 12:10 PM
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roy,

well...i guess the first thing to do is check the link posted by Dr. Fuentes in this thread. that will take you to colour photos and a description of an EVOI. if the body kit on your car match those in the picture, the next thing to examine would be the engine. all EVOIs and EVOIIs had redesigned 2.5-16 engines. none of either of these cars were 2.3-16s because at the time these cars were produced, mercedes had gone from the 2.3-16 to 2.5-16 engine which is more than just a bored and short-stroked version of the 2.3 engine block. it was yet another new casting.

some of the internal differences between the stock 2.5-16 and evo engines are and increased bore and reduced stroke to allow the engine to build revs more quickly. The final drive ratio of the stock 16 valve is 3.07:1 which was dropped to 3.27:1 in the EVOI.

the original 2.3-16 had a compression ratio of 10.5:1 (in europe only. north american models were 9.7:1) i'm not 100% sure, but i believe that the compression ratio in the stock 2.5-16 and the EVOI was dropped to about 9.7:1. for the EVOII, the c/r was bumped back up to the original 10.5:1.

incidentally, the 2.5-16 was never officially sold in the north american market since the sales of the 2.3-16 in north america were less than stellar.

aside from the body kit and engine, differences between the EVOs and the stock 2.3/2.5-16s are the use of larger 11.8" disc brakes in front with 4 piston calipers, the EVOs had hydropneumatic shocks at all four corners (this was an optional extra on the stock 2.5-16), EVOIs and EVOIIs were also not intended for the north american market.

The 2.3/2.5-16 factory rims are 7J x 15" 15 hole rims, EVOI rims are 8J x 16" 15 hole factory rims similar or identical to the the stock rims on the first couple of years of the R129 SL. The EVOII, of course, had the 8.25 x 17" six-spoke rims.

if you don't mind my asking, how much did you pay for your car? given the rarity of the Evolution variants of the 190 series cars (only 500 of each were produced for public sale) there is a significant difference in purchase price.

if your car is, in fact, a 2.3-16, rather than someone deliberately trying to swindle you, it's more likely a case of a misinformed seller.

if your car is a legitimate EvolutionI, congrats! :-)

[Edited by yhliem on 05-29-2001 at 11:13 AM]
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'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights
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Old 05-30-2001, 03:55 AM
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So what's an Evo1

Mmm. Thanks for the valuable information.

It seems the vehicle I have has certain of the traits you mention:
- it looks identical to the photos on the link posted by Dr. Fuentes. Same colour, body kit etc
- it has hydropneumatic shocks on all four wheels
but it definately has a 2.3 16V engine and two piston calipers. I can't comment on the mags/rims because they are not the standard ones.

The car is in South Africa and is a left-hand drive so I suspect it came direct from Germany (we drive on the right hand side).

It is registered as a 1985 model so, judging from another Italian web site I just found, it cannot be an Evo1 because these only started production in 1987. For info, I paid the equivalent of $7000 for it.
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Old 05-30-2001, 01:57 PM
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well...there are a couple of possibilities:
1) the car is an evoI with the wrong valve cover/engine
2) the car is a 2.3-16 with an evoI body kit on it

since that car is registered as an '85, i would say that it is the latter. hydropneumatic shocks may have been available at all corners in europe at that time. just not for north america.
since you paid only $7000 for it (i am assuming US exchange) i would say that it is a modified 2.3-16. and no, you didn't pay too much for it. :-)

the best way to determine the model of any car that you, or anyone else, might question is to get the VIN number and take it to the nearest Mercedes-Benz factory dealer. they'll be able to look up the vin number and come up with a positive ID on almost any M-B

cheers!
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'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights
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