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Old 08-18-2000, 10:34 AM
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What are your top 5 most soul-less cars? Top 5 most soulful?

Most Soul-less:

1. Pontiac Grand-Am
2. Chevrolet Cavalier
3. Chrysler K-cars
4. Ford anything (excluding pickups pre 1975)
5. Toyota Camry (newer wait. All models)

Most Soulful:

1. Mercedes Benz W123 class...okay, ALL models!
2. 1982 Peugeot 604 Turbo Diesel
3. BMW 2002
4. Volvo 1800
5. Audi A6

Note: These results are highly scientific, despite the purely subjective nature of the topic, and the ineffability of accurately defining the term "soul." Differing opinions will be subjected to the utmost scrutiny.

So...what are YOUR opinions?

Grey/black '84 300D, 194K
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Old 08-18-2000, 11:37 AM
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My opinion...for most soulful
1964 Ford F100 pickup
1971 Olds Cutlass convert
and maybe my MB 560SEL, 1989
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Old 08-18-2000, 01:19 PM
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I guess I'm just an engineer geek. I just can't bring myself to think of cars in terms of their soul. Even though my 240D has had a homing instinct for a half million miles and has only broken down once away from home, I still see it as a machine.

To me, the geek, terms for evaluating cars have to do with things like: reliability, performance, economy, ease of maintenance, etc.

I hope everyone who can relate to the soul of a machine enjoys this thread, and I will enjoy viewing the replies.

Have a great day,
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Old 08-18-2000, 01:32 PM
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soul: Any German car would do
1 BMW 325i
2 240D
3 VW Jetta A2 chassis
4 190e
5 300D Turbo

(top 4 were with manny trannies)

no soul:
1 Honda Accord
2 Toyota Camry
3 Dodge Neon
4 Ford escort
5 Buik

'82 300D Turbo 215k miles
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Old 08-18-2000, 01:43 PM
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Larry - I understand the homing instinct of your diesel, but for some reason, even the cars that left me stranded still had personality..they always broke down with style! Especially on the cross bronx expressway at 1 am !
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Old 08-18-2000, 02:07 PM
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Of course you must understand that I don't genuinely think that a mechanical object posseses a soul. In fact, I don't believe a LIVING thing has a soul either, including you or me. What a fascinatingly ridiculous notion.

Perhaps I should substitute the word "character" for "soul." Now will you play along?
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Old 08-18-2000, 02:35 PM
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Thanks for trying to accommodate me, but I guess I'm STILL too geeky, I guess I just added a pocket protector.

Cars to me are machines. The strange thing is I would, in normal conversation, say that I love cars. When I examine that on this level, I guess what I mean is that I love the subject of cars.

Have a great week end,
Larry "the geek" Bible
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Old 08-21-2000, 01:17 PM
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Here are my choices:
Least soulful:
1. Pontiac Sunfire rental
2. Toyota Camry (any)
3. Chrysler Cirrus rental
4. Rusty '88 Civic sedan with automatic and Nader bumper stickers peeling off bumpers.
5. VW Rabbit 4-door automatic

Honorable mention:
A horrible, diabolical Renault Le Car my friend had in college. It wasn't soulless; it had the soul of satan. It never missed an opportunity to screw up in the most bizarre fashion at the most inopportune times, and the things under the hood appeared to be spoons, toilet plungers, wine bags, and flowerpots, which made it difficult to decide what to do to make it run again. I could just see the French laughing at us as we pushed it down the side of the road!

Most soulful:

1. '63 Jaguar E-type roadster
2. Early '60s Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spyder Veloce
3. '57 injected Corvette
4. pre-'74 BMW 2002 (biased; I have one)
5. MB 300SL roadster (up to '63)

Honorable mention:
A 1928 Packard I saw at a car show last weekend. It had sat in a barn idle since 1953, and it was obviously kinda banged up when it was parked. All the chrome had peeled off the radiator shell and headlights, bumpers, etc. The paint was faded to a leather-like consistency, and it had what appeared to be original ancient radiator hoses and clamps. Moths or something had eaten most of the upholstery, and there was a bullet hole in the rear window. But when the show was over, amazingly, the straight 8 ground to life on the first crank, and the thing chugged off down the road on it's own power. VERY cool!
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Old 08-21-2000, 02:25 PM
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1)GM vehicles, possibly excluding the V8 ponycars and the Vette.
2)Chrysler Products, Daimler merger notwithstanding.
3)Ford Products
4)Hyundai, all
5)Most Japanese cars

1)Any Porsche with Turbo on its tail
2)450 SEL 6.9
5)Geleandewagen, beastly comfortable and capable.

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95 740iL
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Old 08-21-2000, 09:08 PM
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1- The Dodge K car (POS All Star)
2- Ford Pinto and / or Festiva
3 - Hyundai, Daewoo, Nissan, Mitsubishi,etc
4 - Minivans
5 - Mercury Cougar (early 80s)

Hon. mention : Gremlin

1 - 63 through 67 Pontiac GTOs
2 - American Motors Hummer/GMC Tahoe Denalli
3 - Any S-Class Mercedes Benz
4 - 58 Caddy Convertible
5 - 60s Ford Cobra / any Corvette

Honorable Mention: 80s Buick something, I cannot think of the model name, but in high school, this Buick hauled bottom!!!! Only thing was is that they put an ave. tranny on them and they discontinued them.

'89 420 SEL
'90 300 SEL
'68 Olds 88 Convertible
'84 300 SD (sold it)
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Old 08-21-2000, 10:53 PM
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Would that be the Buick Grand National with the turbocharged 3.8 liter V6 ?
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Old 08-21-2000, 11:28 PM
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Bingo Larry, that's it - the Grand National! What ever happened to that car? That thing never lost a race. So much, so much lost, so much forgotten.
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Old 08-22-2000, 12:35 AM
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The Grand National was a tire melter but so was the engine! Awesome car though!

My country butt prefers the following-

1. 68-71 Cutlass
2. late 60's Buick Rivera (as my friends like to call it, sorry Geraldo!)
3. My Grand Wagoneer
4. 81' Peugeot 505 td (paid $200 for it and spent $35 to get it going again and drove for 2 years before death)
5. 63' 190c

1. Eagle Premier
2. LS 400 (sorry mom)
3. Volvo s70 (sorry dear)
4. Ford Explorer (serves its purpose with the dogs and Seadoos. Great stereo! I see five at every redlight.)
5. Most of Enterprise inventory

Joe Golden
98' s70 21k (for sale)
98' Explorer Limited 41k
83' Wagoneer 213k
01' c240 (deposit)
84' 2 300d's and 91' 190e (gone)
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Old 08-22-2000, 12:05 PM
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Fiat 124 Abarth Spider
BMW 2002 tii
Porsche 911 RS
Alfa Romeo GTA
Citroen DS 21

No Soul:
most domestic
all Asian imports
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Old 08-22-2000, 03:49 PM
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Most Soulful:
1. 1954 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Coupe "gullwing"
2. 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO
3. 1994 Ferrari 512TR (the best of the testarossas)
4. 1964 Jaguar E-type
5. 1988 Bentley Continental Convertible

Honorable mention: 1987-1995 Range Rover Classic (sentimental reasons. You either love these beasts or you hate them)

98 C43
94 Range Rover
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