Dude, you're preaching to the choir. If it weren't for the fact that I was also on that super secret detail that shadowed Peter Arnett - and it was super duper secret, otherwise you'd have seen me there and I'd have seen you.

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Gosh, you and Cmac both seem very good at taking proven forgeries and obvious propaganda and using words like "true in substance" and "was it far away from the truth" to describe them. I guess anything goes to support your POV.

Easy arguing with that kind of logic. Especially if your a super-duper secret agent guy that was really around to hear what was actually said - like me and Bot too, I guess, even though I didn't actually see him. Well, not really, but it's true in substance and not really to far away from the truth.

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The substance of the story was true. The guy's secretary said the substance of the memos were right. It was a whole story, not just a story about those documents.

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My dog ate my homework.

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Oh, well of course then...

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I can see that this whole Rush thing worked out well, at least for Limbaugh. Not so well for the below signed Senators...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260170172469


...Halliburton briefcase, you can't make this stuff up... 94 bids when I was looking.


I wonder if they'll offer matching funds to the Marine-LEO charity that gets the proceeds of the auction?

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Now that's funny!

I do not understand why the Democrats consistently play into Limbaugh's hands. The guy's schtick is controversy and controversy requires publicity. If the Democrats could find it in themselves to ignore Limbaugh then he would never get national, mainstream news media attention.

Think of Paris Hilton -- without publicity, who is she? Same with Limbaugh.

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The signers just got OWNED

One word for you, my fellow jew; Karlrove.

(Yes, I know it doesn't make sense, but when did the whole "Karl Rove is Evil Emperor", "George Bush is stupid", "Dick Cheney is really Satan" arguments ever make sense.)

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Oy.

Hey mistah! What's with the persecution complex?

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Beliefs? Dude it is established fact that many Vietnamese villages were burned to the ground, on some hairbrained notion that it would advance US interests in some way. Whether or not someone said (roughly) "had to destroy it to save it" is beside the point. I have no stake in Arnett, but even if he was a complete liar, it doesn't change the bizarre and pointless nature of the war in Vietnam.

As for my ad hominum, Burkett clearly has an ax to grind. Like O'Neill and the late Barry Sadler, he was heavily invested in the unassailable goodness and honor of serving in the US military. He complains about the assertions that US troops were severing ears for souvinirs. There have been so many anecdotal accounts about this, as well as reports in US media, that to deny it happened at this point is a bit silly. My friend in Seattle told me he and many of the guys did this.

So what? These things happen in war. I've read that hockey originally evolved using a recently severed head as a puck. IIRC polo and soccer both have some of this same history.

And we know gang-rape has happened in Iraq. Is it such a stretch to believe that it happened in Vietnam?

I do plan to read the book if I can find it. And I'm just sure you're going to watch "Going Upriver, tLWoJK." Therein you can hear other Vietnam vets describe their experience of JK. So far, you've only heard the O'Neill and crew version I'll wager. Also, the Winter Soldier hearing video is something you should see as you've already passed judgement on these guys w/o hearing their story form their own mouths.

I wish you could see the clear and heavy bias you and the Bots man put out. It's striking.

I'll have to watch about 12 hours of video to find that soldier I mentioned. I'll let you know when I do.

As you were private.

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You have no answer for my question of how those accusations could possibly have been substantiated. For a crime during peacetime in our nation, perhaps. What, since they couldn’t provide proof that would satisfy you, they were suppose to keep silent about the rabbit hole we’d gone down? About the descent into madness by many good young Americans who deserved better than to be stupidly used by Westmoreland and later Nixon, that paragon of wisdom and goodness?!

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Utter nonsense. Limbaugh's stock in trade is telling his audience that they are the salt of the earth and that it's the evil 'other' at whose feet all the unpleasantries of the world can be laid.

The man is a coward. The one time in the recent past he appeared in a broadcast of which he didn't have complete control he made an a$$ out of himself and got thrown off. You know, the 'black quarterback' kerfuffle.

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Do weepy confession appear more factual than non-weepy reminiscences?

When distinguishing the two, evidence is really useful. Without actual evidence, all we have are a buncha opinions masquerading as fact. Under the right circumstances we may call that lying or slander or libel or factual. How do we determine which is which?

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