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Air&Road · #**106** 10-05-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

On the face of it he sounds impressive. If what is claimed about him is true, and not related to affrimative action, then even more so. His race should not be a factor (unfortuantely it certainly was with O). All that should matter are his accomplishments and suitability for the job. However. While his accomplishments - if true - sound most impressive I'd point out that running the country is not the same as running a business. So brilliance in the latter may not necessarily translate to ability in the former.

And of course it's all academic if he doesn't get the nomination anyway. But if he does, it'll certainly be an interesting fight. I have a nasty suspicion a large section of the liberal left will attempt to portray him as an uncle Tom.

- Peter.

He is ALREADY being portrayed as an Uncle Tom and an Oreo by the left!

As far as running a business versus running a country, this doesn't wash. One of the main problems with BO is that before entering the Whitehouse he had ZERO executive experience. He had never so much as run a lemonade stand when he was ten years old. He's a very nice guy and is a good family man, but he just entered office with an inadequate skill set.

Herman Cain's lack of political experience and existence of EXTREMELY successful executive business experience is a HUGE plus for him IF he could get the job. The problem is that he has no experience at all with the sneaky tricks that an experienced politician is well versed in. That is what will prevent him from getting the nomination.

That said, he's a quick study so if he were by some miracle to make it through the primary and to the general election, he may have enough political experience and savvy at that point.

BTW pj, I don't think his race will be a major factor one way or the other. I've said before, I think in this thread that I was in the Army and very good friends with someone so much like Cain that it is uncanny. People that take the time to get to know him, will like him and trust him.

Air&Road · #**107** 10-05-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

To think his MASSIVE body of work is due to AA.

Have all of us turned off our minds.

When I encounter someone I may have doubts about their competence. It doesn't take long for 'the facts to speak for themselves'.

Cain's are almost inconceivable.

IF he was somehow elected the nation would not have had someone of his levl of self-madeness since A. Linclon.

Although I agree completely with the spirit of the above, it's not as if Herman Cain learned everything he knows out of books reading by fire light. I don't know what his undergrad major is, but his Masters is in Computer Science from Purdue.

That said, in today's world given that his mom was a Maid and his Dad a Janitor, Barber and Chaufeur(sp?) he has indeed pulled himself up by his boot straps.

MTI · #**108** 10-05-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

If you're impressed by this, you need to learn more about his youth and his life. He is an amazing man with an amazing story to tell.

A person is more than a single data point, and while I find his accomplishments compelling, I find many of his statements troubling. He want's a "Great Wall of China" style fence, stocked with alligators? Has no hesitation in saying that people (he doesn't specify who) have the right to ban mosques, but that would not be on religious grounds; claims that we have a superior separation of church and state, yet fails to see his extolling the Christian values inherent in US law as being contradictory.

Air&Road · #**109** 10-05-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

A person is more than a single data point, and while I find his accomplishments compelling, I find many of his statements troubling. He want's a "Great Wall of China" style fence, stocked with alligators? Has no hesitation in saying that people (he doesn't specify who) have the right to ban mosques, but that would not be on religious grounds; claims that we have a superior separation of church and state, yet fails to see his extolling the Christian values inherent in US law as being contradictory.

The mote with alligators comment was a metaphor.

The mosque comment has been trumped up and twisted by the mainstream media. Read his book.

MTI · #**110** 10-05-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

The mote with alligators comment was a metaphor.

The mosque comment has been trumped up and twisted by the mainstream media. Read his book.

There's no denial he said those things. Now whether "mainsream media" has twisted his words by reporting them, or now your opinions that they were metaphor . . . aren't you just spinning it as well?

The man said what he said and should take responsibility for them. That's what a proper candidate should do, no?

Air&Road · #**111** 10-05-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

He was born in the early 40's. College, early military in late 50's - early 60's.

Not much AA then.

Let's say he got some opportunity because he was black. What's significant is what he did with his opportunities.

What I've encountered are folks who every step of the way were preferentially enabled and STILL, to this day, do sub-standard work AND have a contemptuous attitude.

That's what I think of as an AA problem.

I couldn't agree more.

I have yet to read that he spent any time in the military, but if he was born in the EARLY forties, then that would explain why he graduated from college in '67. If that's the case he probably went to school on the GI Bill AFTER the military as I did.

Air&Road · #**112** 10-05-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

There's no denial he said those things. Now whether "mainsream media" has twisted his words by reporting them, or now your opinions that they were metaphor . . . aren't you just spinning it as well?

The man said what he said and should take responsibility for them. That's what a proper candidate should do, no?

I can accept that as long as the ENTIRE QUOTE is being reported. The media has quite a knack for taking things out of context and printing, showing partial statements.

Honus · #**113** 10-05-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

...If that's the case he probably went to school on the GI Bill AFTER the military as I did.

Nope. Born 12/13/45.

From his website:

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Inspired by the work ethic and character of his parents, Herman continued his education by earning his Master’s degree in computer science from Purdue University while working full-time developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes for the Department of the Navy. Though Herman enjoyed using his talents as a civilian employee for the Navy, he gravitated towards the culture of business.

About Herman Cain | Herman Cain for President

No military service. He apparently had other priorities during the Vietnam years.

davidmash · #**114** 10-05-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

So, you're painting this with a broad brush and saying that all CEO's are unable to perform at an adequate level?

Wow. You and LB are just too good for me. Yep that's exactly what I said.

Air&Road · #**115** 10-05-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

Nope. Born 12/13/45.

From his website: He apparently had other priorities during the Vietnam years.

Thanks for the update. I had not read that he had any military experience so thanks for the clarification.

Being born in '45 and then very wisely going straight to college after high school, he undoubtedly got a deferment and then got past the prime draft years. This happened to MANY a young person of my age and older. If my act had been together well enough for college straight out of high school, I may never have made it to the military either. With the threat of draft breathing down my neck, I joined.

BTW, the draft for Vietnam build up didn't get cranked up hard until about '66. He was almost out of college at that time.

Air&Road · #**116** 10-05-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Wow. You and LB are just too good for me. Yep that's exactly what I said.

That's really interesting. You're saying that ALL CEO's are incompetent? BO is the CEO of our country. Is HE incompetent?

Air&Road · #**117** 10-05-2011, 04:51 PM

One of my favorite things that Herman Cain was saying a few weeks ago was when someone commented about him having not held public office, he would respond with something like: "Washington DC is full of people who have held office for years. How's THAT working for you?"