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Valid points. Certainly anything the government will do is going to end up a hack job with poor results. What I have been trying to get from some of these people is a realization that the public opinion is moving away from the gun owners, and if they cannot tone down the rhetoric to at least appear sensible, then their voices and opinions are going to be discounted. That will not prove to be a benefit to the responsible gun owners. As drop as stated, our country is awash with weapons, and people would like to see something done about it. If any plan is to stand a chance, it needs to be a federal/national plan. As you know in NYC, it is impossible to clamp down in one selected area with any degree of effectiveness, as people will just travel outside of the boundary to get their weapons. I anticipate a push for national legislation against handguns. Not an agenda I'm pushing, but something I fully expect to see.
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I guess MADD was just spinning it's wheels, trying to get existing DUI/DWI laws enforced, much less advocating tougher punishments? Not to mention the lack of enforcement of the plethora of other traffic laws? We've discussed DB drivers on this forum ad nauseaum. For all the safety features and improvements and regulations, we still have accidents and people still get killed, because we still refuse to acknowledge and address the real problem - MAKING SURE THAT THE DB HOLDING THE STEERING WHEEL ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO ****ING DRIVE A CAR BEFORE WE HAND THEM A LICENSE. SOME auto deaths are caused by people who break laws or act irresponsibly? How about DAMN NEAR ALL OF THEM, genius. Cars don't drive themselves. To paraphrase BC, another GD hypocrite (the author of the article, not the poster), turning the subject of auto safety and fatalities on it's head, in an attempt to justify a simplistic feel-good "solution" to this tragedy - which still does nothing to address the root causes behind it or prevent it's reoccurrence - because it's always much easier to deal with inanimate objects than people.
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In Germany if you are caught DUI, you lose your license instantly for minimum 6 months, and have to pay massive fines (several thousand Euros). If caught again, you have to undergo a psych evaluation, pay HUGE fines (15,000+ euro) , go to prison, lose your license for a minimum of 2 years...after that strike three and you're doomed to ever drive again in most cases + prison.
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We can't try and prevent the guy from getting the gun the first place?
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And yet the weapon of choice is almost always a gun. Why is that?
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Probably because it is effective for what it was designed to do.
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This may be true; however, your point is exaggerated – mainly because we have yet to hear of a mass killing that involved a killer using rocks and/or knives. I can understand a serial killer may use any instrument to kill numerous people; however, they are typically not all killed simultaneously at once like a mass shooting. Guns are unique in that a person can kill large amounts of people, indiscriminately and efficiently. More importantly, guns take little to no technical knowledge to be used effectively; where-as, chemicals can dissipate reducing their toxicity, and home manufactured explosives require a higher degree of technical knowledge to implement. |
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Don't you understand?? Gun control laws only work with the lawful, not the outlaws. Enacting more stringent laws would only succeed in creating more lawbreakers out of normally lawful gun owners.
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That is my point. are there other ways to kill? Yes, an infinite amount. How ever they're less efficient, more dangerous, less comfortable ( shooting is cleaner in any ways than shoving a knife through someone) and this does not mean we should give up on controlling what we can.
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Sadly sometimes horrible things happen to good and innocent people. More sadly their is no way to really prevent it from ever happening again.
If a DB wants to do damage to innocents, they can be amazingly creative. In this case it sounds like CT's existing firearm laws worked fine, they prevented him from legally having a firearm. He had to steal and in the process kill his mother to arm himself. Failing that he could have just made a trip to Bridgeport, Hartford, or New Haven and bought a weapon.
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I am not surprised by all the anti-gun rhetoric; it is a to-be-expected reaction to such a tragedy.
But what about looking closely at the values we accept and value? How many video games trivialize the sort of behavior we are all now decrying? How many people flock to the latest gore and violence-filled movie? We glorify violence, and especially gun violence using weapons with a massive firepower. We congratulate people who run up high scores killing people in video games. One is a fantasy; one is reality. Maybe one is mere rehearsal for the other. Maybe it time to put the 1st amendment advocates up against the 2nd amendment advocates. Or maybe we should take a serious look at the values we teach our kids, and stop wondering where the love of violence comes from. These are indicators that we, as a society, accept, and even value violence. I feel like Pogo's famous quote is worth posting here, for the benefit of all of us: We have met the enemy, and he is us.
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In 6 months if I wanted to kill someone I could still go to the right person, hand over a wad of cash, get a Glock, and shoot **** up.
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IMHO we have two things at work here: 1. Copy cat syndrome. You have a crazy people who want to go out with a spark and they see all the media coverage that school shootings generate. 2. A society which fails to really help mentally ill people in any way, and discourages them from just offing themselves. It wouldn't be a bad idea for school systems to start arming security guards, more so since at least in my state they are pretty common in schools but right now are glorified hall monitors. That's really the only way to effectively curtail crazy's like this.
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