WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 15 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Dubyagee · #**211** 12-16-2012, 08:57 AM

Something needs to be done. Arm/train the teachers. Panic buttons that bolt all the doors automatically. Military style fence and gate guard systems. Start drilling the faculty utilizing military trainers.

See how Israel secures their schools

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JB3 · #**212** 12-16-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Something needs to be done. Arm/train the teachers. Panic buttons that bolt all the doors automatically. Military style fence and gate guard systems. Start drilling the faculty utilizing military trainers.

See how Israel secures their schools

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So, prison instead of school

Israel is forced to those methods because they are small and outnumbered and surrounded by people who want to kill them and demonstrate it on a daily basis in whatever means possible. The last resort shouldn't be something we choose first off

We have none of the same problems

Dubyagee · #**213** 12-16-2012, 09:26 AM

Then have police substations on the property. In addition to or in concert with my above ideas.

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Txjake · #**214** 12-16-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ruchase

The 2nd amendment outdated and for too long the gun industry has used it as an argument to protect gun sales. Private militias are relics of the 19th century; we live in a democracy that is more than capable of defending itself from foreign invaders. Avid hunters don’t need an assault rifle to bring down a buck. I own a gun, but I’d be more than happy to give it up and live in a society where no one but law enforcement is entitled to guns.

you have a woefully inadequate idea of what the Second Amendmant is about. too bad you did not have a good history/governemnt/civics teacher in school. The militia concept is there not only to aid in the defense of the country from outside threats, but primarily from a corrupt government. people who can defend themselves and rise up are citizens, those who can't are subjects. The signers of the document you so cavilerly dismiss had all been subjects. I further submit to you that the First Amendment and all others in the Bill of Rights are tied to and protected by the Second.

Most of us take our rights for granted b/c we have lived here all our lives. One has only to look abroad at despotic goverments to see what havoc and evil can be perpetrated by a bad government.

elchivito · #**215** 12-16-2012, 09:47 AM

It's clear to me that the rabid 2A fringe will be the element that causes extreme anti-gun legislation, if it ever comes to pass.
As it turns out, most NRA members are apparently NOT a part of that group. Noted Republican shill Frank Luntz conducted a poll of NRA members and non-members in May and discovered that, in apparent disagreement with their extremist leaders, the majority of NRA members are not opposed to reasonable weapons controls.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/poll-07-24-2012.pdf

Txjake · #**216** 12-16-2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

There are many so-called "gun free" zones in the United States. Schools, Post Offices, air ports, airliners, banks, bars, restaurants, etc etc. Step that idea up to the world's stage, i.e. Great Britain, Canada, Australia who have severely restricted gun ownership or banned it all together, and the trend is self-evident. Private ownership of firearms is on its way out. If you have a need for self-defense, simply dial 911 and wait. Or, if out in public in a restaurant, at the post office or wherever, hopefully there will be an armed cop or security guard to protect you from the bad people. Since the only people who will have guns are LEOs, the world will suddenly become a very peaceful and safe place to live in.

Sara Brady; a prophet before her time.

sorry, but....

Txjake · #**217** 12-16-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I, as well as many on this board, grew up in homes with firearms that were never locked up in a safe, nor did they have trigger locks on them. Growing up, my dad always had a 1911, loaded with one in the chamber, sitting in the nook of his headboard. Under his bed, there was a shotgun, again fully loaded, as well as an M1 carbine, again fully loaded. Mom always had her .22 pistol loaded and in the nightstand. I didn't grow up and become a serial killer or a mass murderer. My friends were raised in homes with guns in pretty much the same way...and none of them became serial killers or mass murderers.

We were taught at a very young age to treat all weapons as if they were loaded. We were taught how to check to see if the safety was on, as well as how to properly handle the weapon. We learned at a young age that they are deadly, and not toys. I was 6 years old the first time I got to shoot my dad's M1, 8 when I was given my first .22 rifle, 10 when I was given a shotgun, and 18 when dad gave me my first .38. *GASP* Oh, the horror...how did this young man ever survive his childhood??

Someone, please tell me...How can this be? Why is it that we can have generations of people grow up around guns, and have them all their lives, yet they don't go out and become mass murderers??

Today's youth don't understand consequences anymore. They don't understand that if you don't follow the rules, that you'll be punished. Why is that?? Because years ago, the courts stepped in and started telling parents that they weren't allowed to bust their kids on the ass for breaking the rules. If you did, the child could call the cops, and you'd be hauled off in handcuffs. We, as a society, are now afraid to punish our kids. We're afraid to do much more than tell little Johnny no and put him in time out.

Sorry folks, but a bit more kids getting their rumps beat for breaking the rules at a younger age would teach them about consequences. It worked for the generations prior to mine...it will work for today's generation too.

well said.....

JB3 · #**218** 12-16-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Then have police substations on the property. In addition to or in concert with my above ideas.

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Military trained teachers, prison guard and entrance system, now police substations.

Next step is tattoos or microchips for every student, 3 times a day location checks, restrictions on movement and eventually thought.

All your solutions are steps towards the police state that your retention of firearms to supposedly designed to protect against.
What happened the the system of checks and balances that was our three branches of government? When did the 2nd amendment become that system of checks?

cmbdiesel · #**219** 12-16-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Something needs to be done. Arm/train the teachers. Panic buttons that bolt all the doors automatically. Military style fence and gate guard systems. Start drilling the faculty utilizing military trainers.

See how Israel secures their schools

Great idea.... more guns....

These other 'improvements'... you are willing to pay your share?

Turn teachers into soldiers... somehow I do not believe the personality profiles will mesh.

And your sign... you pompously claim that no legislation will stop these sick f**ks, but you think a sign will....

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for what I have been on about. The complete lack of reasonable discussion from the gun owner fringe. You guys are going to screw the pooch for gun owners everywhere.

Txjake · #**220** 12-16-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Delusional to have responsible gun owners??

Why should your right to bear arms not be as regulated as your right to travel the highways and byways of this country as described by COTUS?

Is it a super right? Does it have special language that makes it holier and greater than other regulated rights in the Constitution?

Maybe it came from a better family of rights...

Your elitism is evident by the wall of self righteous grandstanding you create when you undertake to inform us how much more important your rights are than those of others.

And then there's this....

Actually, yes. The entire Bill of Rights are a list of as you say, "a better family of rights". They are the cornerstone to the freedom of all Americans. The founders determined the essentiality of protecting the populace FROM the government.

Txjake · #**221** 12-16-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Great idea.... more guns....

These other 'improvements'... you are willing to pay your share?

Turn teachers into soldiers... somehow I do not believe the personality profiles will mesh.

And your sign... you pompously claim that no legislation will stop these sick f**ks, but you think a sign will....

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for what I have been on about. The complete lack of reasonable discussion from the gun owner fringe. You guys are going to screw the pooch for gun owners everywhere.

fallacious thinking: an armed teacher is not a soldier but a protector. In this case they would have been a savior....

and yes, I would "pay my fair share" to have precious human capital protected. They do it in Mexico and it is a relatively poor country. There is enough $ out there to do this.

Txjake · #**222** 12-16-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Traveling is not a form of transportation.

If I said I was going to go away, would you promise to do the same?

no, unimpeded travel is a right. legal citizens not under a judgement prohibiting such may not be restricted from freely moving about the country.

JB3 · #**223** 12-16-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

well said.....

So this guy shot 20+ and killed himself because "todays youth just doesn't understand consequences anymore". You really agree with that? The fact that a guy was nuts enough to be willing and planning to suffer the ultimate consequence by his own hands means that he wasn't brought up to suffer consequences makes sense to you?

The guy was clearly nuts, blaming a lack of corporal punsihment during upbringing seems to me like wishful thinking.

You guys need to stop glorifying the past as if it was a golden period of obedient children who respected gun safety.

cmbdiesel · #**224** 12-16-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

you have a woefully inadequate idea of what the Second Amendmant is about. too bad you did not have a good history/governemnt/civics teacher in school. The militia concept is there not only to aid in the defense of the country from outside threats, but primarily from a corrupt government. people who can defend themselves and rise up are citizens, those who can't are subjects. The signers of the document you so cavilerly dismiss had all been subjects. I further submit to you that the First Amendment and all others in the Bill of Rights are tied to and protected by the Second.

Most of us take our rights for granted b/c we have lived here all our lives. One has only to look abroad at despotic goverments to see what havoc and evil can be perpetrated by a bad government.

Sure, you and a bunch of guys with deer rifles are going to stand up to the US military.
Get a grip.
The militia standing against the evil government model is antiquated. The advent of more sophisticated weaponry and larger military has eliminated the feasibility of citizen resistance to our military.
But, you are probably one who thinks that private citizens should have access to any kind of weapon they can afford.

Bill Of Rights 'protected' by the second amendment? Please don't tell me you mean that you are protecting your own COTUS rights with your weapons... please... you aren't really saying that are ya?

JB3 · #**225** 12-16-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

fallacious thinking: an armed teacher is not a soldier but a protector. In this case they would have been a savior....

and yes, I would "pay my fair share" to have precious human capital protected. They do it in Mexico and it is a relatively poor country. There is enough $ out there to do this.

A lot of Mexico is a war zone. Is that what you want? Just like the israelis, they have to do stuff because they have no choice.