WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 42 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

TwitchKitty · #**616** 12-17-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

No, that is not the only reason. May be the reason that you fear most while you sit in the dark with foil headgear and clean the guns....This goes beyond the shooter at Sandy Hook. This is to address the vast numbers of illegal and unregistered weapons floating about on our city streets.

Guns should be as regulated as cars, especially as so many like to point out how dangerous cars are.....

I bet pieces of paper have saved WAY more lives than guns.

Personal attack, you earned points off your permanent record.

You said something about me not making well thought out, insightful comments.

jplinville · #**617** 12-17-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Time for complete firearm registration.
Possessing an unregistered weapon, serious consequences, prison time.
Having your weapon used in a crime by any person and you are on the hook as well.
Accidental shootings due to negligence revokes your right to own firearms.
Sales of unregistered weapons, huge prison time.

Do you honestly think that registering the firearms would have kept this asshat from stealing his mother's guns, killing her and then killing everyone at the school?? "Oh, gee, I guess I really shouldn't kill anyone with those guns, they're registered". Does registering guns keep them from being operated by crazed lunatics?

cmbdiesel · #**618** 12-17-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

This thread is intellectually dishonest for another reason.

We all know that our elected officials don't write legislation. Lobbyists and staff for monied interests write laws and pay (bribe) our representatives to propose them and vote for them.

If legislation is passed it will be in the best interests of the monied powers that be and to hell with the people and thier kids.

In this we agree...

Botnst · #**619** 12-17-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Not intending to take anything.
Register what you got or take your chances.
All new sales, registered.

You propose to take my freedom, guaranteed by the contract of citizenship and tempered by the lives of many people to protect that contract and the people who hold it.

Come and get them.

cmbdiesel · #**620** 12-17-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

This is a personal attack just the same as if I said you should STFU and quit being an as$hole.

Sorry Twitch.... my humor must have missed again...

And some extra apology for getting a little chippy earlier too.

BTW... I prefer as$hat. Has a nice ring to it.

cmbdiesel · #**621** 12-17-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

You propose to take my freedom, guaranteed by the contract of citizenship and tempered by the lives of many people to protect that contract and the people who hold it.

Come and get them.

Where did I propose to take your freedom?
or your guns?

Back to that 'rational discussion' thingy...

Botnst · #**622** 12-17-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

I've never been shot at directly. When I was around 15 years old I was in a large crowd, approximately 250 yards from me I saw a car driving full speed in to the crowd aiming straight for me. Everything was in slow motion, saw the driver looking at me, saw the female passenger screaming in panic next to him, saw people flying in to the air. I couldn't move, I was just standing there looking at the event in front of me. Was it not for someone pulling me out of harms way I would have been dead or injured.

I always think about that event when something like this happens; what would I do now? I don't think it would be much different and I'm pretty sure that's for most of us, armed or not.

That's exactly why people train for events -- so they wont freeze. Doesn't matter whether it's a musical instrument, brain surgery, or igniting a nuclear missile. If you don't dress rehearse then you are much more likely to get stage fright or fumble the ball.

Go to the range and shoot a lot of rounds at life-size targets. Learn to pull the pistol from your purse and get it on target and ready to fire before a man can lunge at you. There's no time for fumbling.

cmac2012 · #**623** 12-17-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

A few home made pipe bomb knives?

MUCH harder to obtain/build than an unlocked stash of guns and ammo.

Botnst · #**624** 12-17-2012, 10:10 PM

The greatest mass murder of children in US history was through the use of explosives.

cmbdiesel · #**625** 12-17-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Do you honestly think that registering the firearms would have kept this asshat from stealing his mother's guns, killing her and then killing everyone at the school?? "Oh, gee, I guess I really shouldn't kill anyone with those guns, they're registered". Does registering guns keep them from being operated by crazed lunatics?

No, I was onto the greater topic of where do we go as a society.(see post 614) A society in which I would like to retain my ability to own firearms.

Registering firearms is a way to help dry up the supply lines of unregistered weapons filling our cities.

Botnst · #**626** 12-17-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Where did I propose to take your freedom?
or your guns?

Back to that 'rational discussion' thingy...

I agree with Twitchkitty.

History clearly demonstrates that the government steps through a process of control of private ownership of firearms. First is registry. Last is seizure. It has never gone the other way. Doesn't it make you curious why governments don't ever seek to increase the freedom of its citizens?

We measure congressional success by how many laws they pass. Does that not frighten you just a bit?

Botnst · #**627** 12-17-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

No, I was onto the greater topic of where do we go as a society.(see post 614) A society in which I would like to retain my ability to own firearms.

Registering firearms is a way to help dry up the supply lines of unregistered weapons filling our cities.

Take for instance the 5.5 per 100K firearm murders by police. Those are all registered firearms. Police have a higher gun violence rate than the general population. Therefore, registered guns are a danger.

I love correlation!

cmac2012 · #**628** 12-17-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

By golly, I'm impressed! So much psychology, so few facts!

Here are some facts that might be fun for you to consider:
8% of violent crimes are committed with firearms (not broken down by type -- too bad).
6% by knife (not broken down by type -- too bad).
7% by blunt objects (not broken down by type -- too bad).
73% by NO WEAPON

Apparently people really do use their giant penis extenders to commit violent crime more than they use either guns or knives.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Weapon Use by Offense Type

Lordy, you just can't help yourself.

Well sir, with numbers like that to reassure and inform us, why would anyone be dismayed at the fact of 20 some killed by a pantywaist?

Your statistic is of "violent crime." Tell me which mass slaughters by US peoples against other US peoples have been perpetrated without firearms? There are some, McVeigh and that ass in SoCal with the Buick, probably an accident. Such attacks are a very small subset of "violent crime."

I believe the topic is the mass slaughter of the week.

cmbdiesel · #**629** 12-17-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I agree with Twitchkitty.

History clearly demonstrates that the government steps through a process of control of private ownership of firearms. First is registry. Last is seizure. It has never gone the other way. Doesn't it make you curious why governments don't ever seek to increase the freedom of its citizens?

We measure congressional success by how many laws they pass. Does that not frighten you just a bit?

Is there historical precedent of that in this country?

When you say 'we', I hear 'they', as I do not believe that either of us use that particular measuring stick.
Still frightening. Many here have advocated taking other freedoms in order to protect their own. You are not one of those people, so I more easily accept the slippery slope argument coming form you. I may not entirely agree, but at least you are not being disingenuous.

cmac2012 · #**630** 12-17-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

The fact that gun control provably does not work means nothing in here.

Events in Australia might indicate otherwise. In 1996 a mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania left 35 dead and 23 wounded, the largest single incident in the world at that time I believe it was said. Laws were passed and enforced that would qualify as gun control and the results are reportedly good.

Gun control: After Connecticut shooting, could Australia's laws provide a lesson?