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Old 04-30-2014, 09:35 PM
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The problem of a bullet in the head is the same problem with hanging and the guillotine and the electric chair. ONE person has to do the shooting, or else you put a dozen shooters up. One person pulls the lever that drops the blade, one person throws the switch. Nobody wants to be the sanctioned killer, so we have all these absurd workarounds. Three people administer three different vials of poison, none of which will kill by itself. Absolution. "I didn't kill him". We don't have the courage of our convictions in this deal.

There is no justification that state sanctioned murder controls crime OR is less expensive than keeping a lifer in lockup. All we have, and that is well witnessed here, is vengeance, retribution. Torches and pitchforks. Kill the beast!!

And the hypocrisy of the "all life is sacred" right is on full display.
How is that any different from someone just wanting him to be locked up? I didn't kill him. We can compensate him if we are wrong so life is good. Regardless of punishment, the principle is the same. You cannot reverse time to undo what you did. If you want to cry about the 4% error rate, assuming that the incarceration rate is probably higher, why aren't you crying about that too?

Lets say you are right. What is wrong with a little bit of vengeance and retribution?

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Old 04-30-2014, 09:54 PM
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Amazing

Here's a picture of the killer.

Here's a picture of the victim. That is, the person which Clayton Darrell Lockett killed. This poor girl was shot and buried alive. The "girl" is named Stephanie Nieman. Her family still grieves to this day. Little news in the media about the victim and her family. Lot's of wasted time and energy over this vicious murderer and what he and others did to ruin this girl's life and the family's life too. Here's the family statement.

THE STATEMENT OF SUSIE AND STEVE NEIMAN

God blessed us with our precious daughter, Stephanie for 19 years. Stephanie loved children.

She worked in Vacation Bible School and always helped with our Church nativity scenes. She was the joy of our life. We are thankful this day has finally arrived and justice will finally be served.

Susie and Steve Neiman, 4-29-14

Personally, I wonder what type of person could have any sympathy for Lockett and simply disregard the victim. She's dead. She did nothing to deserve this. Lockett got exactly what he deserved. Simply amazing some of the views held by some.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:55 PM
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The problem of a bullet in the head is the same problem with hanging and the guillotine and the electric chair. ONE person has to do the shooting, or else you put a dozen shooters up. One person pulls the lever that drops the blade, one person throws the switch. Nobody wants to be the sanctioned killer, so we have all these absurd workarounds. Three people administer three different vials of poison, none of which will kill by itself. Absolution. "I didn't kill him".
We don't have the courage of our convictions in this deal. There is no justification that state sanctioned murder controls crime OR is less expensive than keeping a lifer in lockup. All we have, and that is well witnessed here, is vengeance, retribution. Torches and pitchforks. Kill the beast!!

And the hypocrisy of the "all life is sacred" right is on full display.
While I can understand a lot of people not wanting to be the one sanctioned killer, other countries don't seem to have any trouble finding plenty. I'd do the job under the right conditions: 1. I get to review the evidence and verify to my satisfaction that the perp is guilty and the sentence is appropriate. 2. Adequate compensation. It's a long ride out to Lovelock where the state of Nevada does its executions. They'd need to pay enough to make it worth my while to go all the way out there and maybe have to take a day off from my regular job.
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:59 PM
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While I can understand a lot of people not wanting to be the one sanctioned killer, other countries don't seem to have any trouble finding plenty. I'd do the job under the right conditions: 1. I get to review the evidence and verify to my satisfaction that the perp is guilty and the sentence is appropriate. 2. Adequate compensation. It's a long ride out to Lovelock where the state of Nevada does its executions. They'd need to pay enough to make it worth my while to go all the way out there and maybe have to take a day off from my regular job.
You just priced yourself out. We have convicted killers whom we can use to throw the switch and it will cost us maybe a couple cartons of cigarettes or maybe a hooker. Why would we pay you so much more? Let the new fish on death row (probably cheaper) raffle for the job. Winner gets some perks.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:19 PM
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Here's a picture of the killer.

Here's a picture of the victim. That is, the person which Clayton Darrell Lockett killed. This poor girl was shot and buried alive. The "girl" is named Stephanie Nieman. Her family still grieves to this day. Little news in the media about the victim and her family. Lot's of wasted time and energy over this vicious murderer and what he and others did to ruin this girl's life and the family's life too. Here's the family statement.

THE STATEMENT OF SUSIE AND STEVE NEIMAN

God blessed us with our precious daughter, Stephanie for 19 years. Stephanie loved children.

She worked in Vacation Bible School and always helped with our Church nativity scenes. She was the joy of our life. We are thankful this day has finally arrived and justice will finally be served.

Susie and Steve Neiman, 4-29-14

Personally, I wonder what type of person could have any sympathy for Lockett and simply disregard the victim. She's dead. She did nothing to deserve this. Lockett got exactly what he deserved. Simply amazing some of the views held by some.
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So can we put you down as being on the side of, "The Constitution is just a piece of paper?"
So can we put you down on the side of the murderer then? Read above story.

Perhaps you should learn the Law before questioning it...
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I'm sure it will never happen but I've read more than once that freezing to death is one of the least painful ways to die.

The guillotine was reliable but I'm guessing there are objections to having the corpse rendered into parts. The squirting blood would also bother people no doubt.
Killing SHOULD bother the killers. I read somewhere that most executioners ended up being against the death penalty after retirement. Those who didn't kill themselves from remorse first, that is.
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You just priced yourself out. We have convicted killers whom we can use to throw the switch and it will cost us maybe a couple cartons of cigarettes or maybe a hooker. Why would we pay you so much more? Let the new fish on death row (probably cheaper) raffle for the job. Winner gets some perks.
I like the way you think.
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The problem of a bullet in the head is the same problem with hanging and the guillotine and the electric chair. ONE person has to do the shooting, or else you put a dozen shooters up. ...
Yes, that's why they're called firing SQUADS. Traditionally the loaded guns were handed to the squad members, with one gun containing a blank, so no one knew for sure if they killed anyone.
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Yes, that's why they're called firing SQUADS. Traditionally the loaded guns were handed to the squad members, with one gun containing a blank, so no one knew for sure if they killed anyone.
Wouldn't firing a blank feel a bit different? Less recoil and all that.
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Wouldn't firing a blank feel a bit different? Less recoil and all that.
Have too....my thoughts the same
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:19 PM
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Bingo. Generally, from what I can tell, there's a large group of folks who swoon all over the killer. The victim(s) and their family, well ... they don't seem to get a lot of press. Perhaps a consitutional amendment and make executions a public spectacle again.
No possibility that they are viewed as distinct issues and not related in terms of the argument being had here?
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...I've read more than once that freezing to death is one of the least painful ways to die.
You read books written by frozen zombies? Are you sure they're authentic?

Actually it's because hypothermia makes you unconscious before you die. So it's assumed that it would be painless. Survivors of hypothermia state they just got very tired and went to sleep.
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Wouldn't firing a blank feel a bit different? Less recoil and all that.
Probably to an experienced shooter. It was done to make the process less personal and possibly more 'humane' for the squad. I doubt if it was intended to fool anyone.
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Old 04-30-2014, 11:25 PM
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I also wonder if the "4% error rate" is really accurate. I know the clever slippery slope arguements are forthcoming by the intellectual elite and the "just one person receiving capital punishment who was wrongfully convicted" is the breaking point for any death sentence advocate. Really? Does that argument hold water for jails and prisons since I am pretty sure there's at least one person not guilty sitting in a cell? I know ... it's the "finality" and irreversible consequences of the death penality. Guess what? Those victims have finality and the consequences are irreversible also. Then the same group want to re-argue that so, so many of those on death row are "innocent." Really ? That many? Death row is reserved for the worst of the worst. From what I could glean, a vast, vast majority have evidence against them above and beyond a "reasonable doubt" or any doubt whatsoever. Why is MSNBC and others not talking about the victim, the girl who was shot and buried alive ? Why the "sympathy" for a killer ? Can you really compare his 30-some minutes of "anguish" as the media is now calling it and weigh that against what that girl endured right before her heart stopped beating and the family's daily reminder that their little girl is no longer here. I am at least happy for the family that Lockett is dead and the family got word that Lockett suffered a tiny, tiny amount before he died. Too bad Lockett did not suffer a great deal before his heart stopped beating.
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Wouldn't firing a blank feel a bit different? Less recoil and all that.
In theory it wouldn't be all that hard to load the blank heavy on powder to match the recoil light loads in the other weapons. Keep in mind the velocity of 100 grains of powder gases is way faster than the velocity of a 100 grains of slug. In some rounds the gases contribute more than the lead.

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